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On December 10 2010 07:43 Fenrax wrote:
The problem with M&M vs. Protoss is that it is an all-in build by definition. They are relatively cost effective vs. Goons and Zealots, and especially if T catches P offguard it will steal a game. But you can't go late game, not even mid game, with M&Ms because they get destroyed by High Templars or Reavers. And playing vs. Arbiters with M&M is totally unacceptable. That also means that you don't even need to bother getting upgrades for your M&Ms and that you don't have the time, money or armory to get upgrades for your Mech units. And you also have Barracks instead of Factories so you can't transition into something.
So M&M is like on every other map an all-in build that will work if everything goes as expected and fails if it gets scouted or if the Protoss chooses a different strategy.

For the map: I don't think that Aztec is as extremely Protoss favored as the recent results suggest. It is no Central Plains. The long PvT victory streak is imo a mix of a good (but not unfairly good) map for Protoss and a normal statistical deviation. I think Flash had the right strategy going into the game and he came close to winning but Kal's early advantage was just too much to overcome. It is not like Kal is a nobody, he was always playing on one level with Flash (despite usually losing) and this time he had the lead and lead it to victory.

On December 10 2010 13:57 radialis wrote:

Could you hook us up with a few M&M vods vs protoss out of interest?

On December 10 2010 14:07 aimaimaim wrote:
problem with flash is that he has no showmanship .. and spectator sports, showmanship is a real plus for fans = love/like

thats why T1 pros are loved .. because they are entertainers/players ..

along with other people like stork, sea, leta, and the rare times JD+Lomo combo ..

On December 10 2010 07:43 Fenrax wrote:
The problem with M&M vs. Protoss is that it is an all-in build by definition. They are relatively cost effective vs. Goons and Zealots, and especially if T catches P offguard it will steal a game. But you can't go late game, not even mid game, with M&Ms because they get destroyed by High Templars or Reavers. And playing vs. Arbiters with M&M is totally unacceptable. That also means that you don't even need to bother getting upgrades for your M&Ms and that you don't have the time, money or armory to get upgrades for your Mech units. And you also have Barracks instead of Factories so you can't transition into something.
So M&M is like on every other map an all-in build that will work if everything goes as expected and fails if it gets scouted or if the Protoss chooses a different strategy.

For the map: I don't think that Aztec is as extremely Protoss favored as the recent results suggest. It is no Central Plains. The long PvT victory streak is imo a mix of a good (but not unfairly good) map for Protoss and a normal statistical deviation. I think Flash had the right strategy going into the game and he came close to winning but Kal's early advantage was just too much to overcome. It is not like Kal is a nobody, he was always playing on one level with Flash (despite usually losing) and this time he had the lead and lead it to victory.