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On September 01 2010 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 20:45 darktreb wrote:
I'm still kind of shocked at how it all went down. Not a single epic on Grand Line either =(
All I know is, this series was a GREAT microcosm of Stork as a player and Stork's career. Stork's career is FILLED with semifinals successes. :D
Yeah, I meant more like how he had a couple of brilliantly played games and demonstrated that when he's on and prepared he can hang with anyone, but in the end came up just short while losing in some of the most horrible ways possible. Game by game you didn't know what Stork you were going to get - the one who had a well designed build combined with good game sense and solid mechanics put together well enough to make arguably the greatest player of all time at his prime look decidedly average, or the one who makes multiple completely inexplicable decisions along with major gaffes that would cause him to lose to any pro of virtually any level.
Pretty much just like his career - he has always been capable of beating anyone, he has always been capable of losing to anyone, and the only thing you can count on is that in the end he comes up short.
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On September 01 2010 20:51 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:On September 01 2010 20:45 darktreb wrote:
I'm still kind of shocked at how it all went down. Not a single epic on Grand Line either =(
All I know is, this series was a GREAT microcosm of Stork as a player and Stork's career. Stork's career is FILLED with semifinals successes. :D Yeah, I meant more like how he had a couple of brilliantly played games and demonstrated that when he's on and prepared he can hang with anyone, but in the end came up just short while losing in some of the most horrible ways possible. Game by game you didn't know what Stork you were going to get - the one who had a well designed build combined with good game sense and solid mechanics put together well enough to make arguably the greatest player of all time at his prime look decidedly average, or the one who makes multiple completely inexplicable decisions along with major gaffes that would cause him to lose to any pro of virtually any level. Pretty much just like his career - he has always been capable of beating anyone, he has always been capable of losing to anyone, and the only thing you can count on is that in the end he comes up short.
Yeah but atleast he's getting laid.
Stork, world's most successful top progamer on the Rekrul scale.
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On September 01 2010 20:36 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 20:28 Scaramanga wrote:
Are the fanboys calling for a jaedong free finals jaedong fanboys because they dont want flash to rape him silly again? or are they free fanboys because they are somhow delusional that free can actaully beat flash as a jaedong fan, im calling for flash vs jaedong again so jaedong can have revenge. O_O Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 20:29 okum wrote:
Sorry Jaedong, but I can't like you anymore. All you do nowadays is play a super-greedy turtle style that randomly loses to timing pushes, or you win with zergling all-ins. Granted, you had one good game against Flash (FS) and one decent game against Stork (EOTS) but all other games in recent history have been horrible. What happened to the JD of the past that crushed everything with impeccable defense and macro?
At least Stork tried to be creative this series, but he ultimately lost to the ZvP imbalance (one mistake and you're screwed) and his own stupidity. he's always played like that (greedy as possible, defending with minimal units) also, none of those games were true all-ins. game1- stork did a greedy build, jd did the 1 of 2 builds that punishes it (4pool/9pool) gg game2- stork did a clever build which fooled jd. all jd needed was 1more sunken. oh wait (one mistake and you're screwed) game3- jd got greedy and didn't make a sunken. if he just had 1 sunk he woulda defended that ezpz. had very nice scourging but just didnt have the units to win game4 - stork went for a goonreaver timing, jd stomped it game5 - stork had a great start, going 1cannon-nex-gate-tech against 9pool, but got greedy not putting that 2nd cannon down which jd saw. jd just shook his head -nono- and popped lings everywhere and killed stork. i dont see much difference. stork was just as greedy as jaedong in the games just that stork succeeded in being greedy to an extent, while jd died whenever he was greedy.
I like h ow you say "Jaedong had impeccable defense and macro" and now he's "greedy and turtles"
Hint:
Turtling = good defense
Greedy = good macro within the next 2 minutes.
It's just people are studying him and trying to find weaknesses. If jaedong went 12 hatch he probably would have gotten away with it, but he was forced to be weak to timing attacks if he had any chance to come back in the midgame.
Jaedong NEEDS to do this agressive ling early games because people are trying to get midgame advantages against him by being greedy knowing that he's confident against any protoss in the mid/late game after a 12 hatch start. Don't agree?
Stork: g1 14 nexus first. Greedy
g5, only 1 cannon vs a 9 pool. Screams greedy. Even with excellent micro its standard to put down 2. 9 pool vs 1 cannon is a very very bad situation for zerg if it wasn't for the easy freewin if he does it and you know.
If free gets into OSL finals. i guarantee you he'll be wary of playing like stork knowing that jaedong will kill in cold blood again. That way jaedong can get into an even midgame and show everyone who's the best zvp in the world.
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On September 01 2010 20:38 purpose wrote:
Jeez what a fail. Now there is no point in watching the OSL final. Seeing Flash beat JD jet again is just not on my to do list.
Seeing Flash rape should be on everyones to-do-list
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I really hope Stork learns the basic rules of safety after today games. He has to understand that he was the better player today, but lost because of his stupidity. He has to acknowledge that his PvZ is very good now, and he can play it straight up.
As for Jaedong, he is good in ZvBioT. In the rest he is going according to the flow of meta-game. Nothing special.
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On September 01 2010 21:04 arbiter_md wrote:
I really hope Stork learns the basic rules of safety after today games. He has to understand that he was the better player today, but lost because of his stupidity. He has to acknowledge that his PvZ is very good now, and he can play it straight up.
As for Jaedong, he is good in ZvBioT. In the rest he is going according to the flow of meta-game. Nothing special.
Are you fucking kidding me?
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i have to agree with arbiter_md, those small mistakes/acts of greed really cost him the entire series. i don't deny Jaedong's ability for capitalizing on those though. stork REALLY really good have taken this series. that, however, is arguable because the games today never really got into late hive-tech play. but watching game 3.. don't think it would have mattered. it seemed like Jaedong forgot how to mid/late game ZvP.
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I don't know how people can get tired of Jaedong vs Flash . No matter who wins or how one - sided the games are there is always perfection in those games . There is a lot to be learned from them playing in both builds , micro , macro and multitasking . Flash's 14 CC follow-ups seem unstopable and thought i'm not a terran player and i'm a Jaedong fan i learned a lot from Flash's all out aggression after the 14 CC .
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First time for Jaedong to get double finals. I hope Free also gets to final i think he deserves one.
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Can't believe Stork threw away that last game like that. 1 Cannon away from an OSL final, pretty much. 
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What has happened to the live report threads?
It seems no one has a clue about how stork plays. Stork doesn't have the best mechanics, nor the best micro, nor the best pure macro. He wins by cutting corners and playing at the limit of what one can get away with in the early-to-mid game. No one else walks the line of greed like stork does, and that's the main reason for his status as a top three all-time protoss player. When you play like that, you win some and you lose some. It's asinine to say that stork's greediness was his downfall, because without that greediness, he wouldn't even be a progamer-level protoss to begin with.
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On September 01 2010 21:55 city42 wrote:
What has happened to the live report threads?
It seems no one has a clue about how stork plays. Stork doesn't have the best mechanics, nor the best micro, nor the best pure macro. He wins by cutting corners and playing at the limit of what one can get away with in the early-to-mid game. No one else walks the line of greed like stork does, and that's the main reason for his status as a top three all-time protoss player. When you play like that, you win some and you lose some. It's asinine to say that stork's greediness was his downfall, because without that greediness, he wouldn't even be a progamer-level protoss to begin with.
Nah it's his game sense post hydra bust which makes him a great pvzer
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konadora, translate the interview pls
thanks 
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On September 01 2010 21:06 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 21:04 arbiter_md wrote:
I really hope Stork learns the basic rules of safety after today games. He has to understand that he was the better player today, but lost because of his stupidity. He has to acknowledge that his PvZ is very good now, and he can play it straight up.
As for Jaedong, he is good in ZvBioT. In the rest he is going according to the flow of meta-game. Nothing special. Are you fucking kidding me?
LOOOOOOOL. Jaedong practically IS the zerg metagame wtf.
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Odd how Stork always manages to play better vs Jaedong, and Jaedong worse vs Stork. Stork's Pvz has always been shaky but when he plays vs Jaedong for some reason he always steps it up. I expected jaedong to steamroll this series but wow....way closer than I expected
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Got dammit... I wanted a Stork vs Flash finals... fucking Jaedong.
I like Jaedong, but when I saw him win the 1st game with just lings... I kind of wanted to throw up in my mouth. Similar to when Flash loss game 4 to Jaedong doing dumb shit.
I think BW did a good job of balancing the races though. Semi finals consists of 2 protoss, the best terran player, and the best zerg player. I mean that's pretty balanced IMO
Unlike SC2 where people are complaining about Terran being the "1ta2ta" overpowered race.
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On September 01 2010 21:28 Holgerius wrote:Can't believe Stork threw away that last game like that. 1 Cannon away from an OSL final, pretty much.
Yeah and Jaedong was one sunken away from a 3-1 win.
Its not like Stork played better than JD, both had their choking moments.
On September 01 2010 22:13 Silentness wrote:
Got dammit... I wanted a Stork vs Flash finals... fucking Jaedong.
I like Jaedong, but when I saw him when the 1st game with just lings... I kind of wanted to throw up in my mouth. Similar to when Flash loss game 4 to Jaedong doing dumb shit.
you dont like jaedong because Flash and Stork go cc/nexus first?
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On September 01 2010 22:00 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 21:06 Nick_54 wrote:On September 01 2010 21:04 arbiter_md wrote:
I really hope Stork learns the basic rules of safety after today games. He has to understand that he was the better player today, but lost because of his stupidity. He has to acknowledge that his PvZ is very good now, and he can play it straight up.
As for Jaedong, he is good in ZvBioT. In the rest he is going according to the flow of meta-game. Nothing special. Are you fucking kidding me? LOOOOOOOL. Jaedong practically IS the zerg metagame wtf.
Do you know who was the zerg to use the 6 hatch hydras build in zvp (the build from game4)?
What about the first zerg to play a ultra-less game in ZvMech?
What was the last creative thing, Jaedong did?
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Are the VODs up yet? I've tried looking on TLPD.
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