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[OSL] Semi-Final A Jaedong vs Stork - Page 64

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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
September 01 2010 11:36 GMT
#1261
thank god, i thought it was free's semi today. will have to catch up to it later
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 01 2010 11:36 GMT
#1262
On September 01 2010 20:35 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 20:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Honestly, I think I get the underlying premise of what Stork was trying to do. After scouting the nine pool and setting up appropriately for it, the way he had his cannon placed there was no way Jaedong knew if he had 1 or 2 without pushing in with a lot of lings.

?? JD knew there was only one cannon for the longest time since his OL was around


Um, the second cannon would've been built further south, the Overlord can't see past the first cannon for obvious reasons (the cannon will shoot it).
Remember Violet.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 01 2010 11:36 GMT
#1263
Thanks Kentor for streaming. Your stream's quality rocks.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
September 01 2010 11:38 GMT
#1264
On September 01 2010 20:21 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 20:20 meegrean wrote:
JAEDONG VS FREE FINALS FUCK YEAH!!!!!


rofl I will laugh so hard if this comes true

It would be even better if Free won it all
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2311 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 11:38:56
September 01 2010 11:38 GMT
#1265
Thank god no imba cries...Protoss players are classy indeed. But if free wont make it, no Protoss gold
And if Flash will beat Jeadong than we will have another Terran-imba-cry-fest
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7825 Posts
September 01 2010 11:38 GMT
#1266
It sucks even more because Stork blocked the first wave of lings so easily and the audience was cheering because they assumed he was going to win. Then it just kept slipping away. I was in shock
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
September 01 2010 11:38 GMT
#1267
Jeez what a fail. Now there is no point in watching the OSL final. Seeing Flash beat JD jet again is just not on my to do list.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
September 01 2010 11:39 GMT
#1268
I don't like it when gamers play with the idea that they must cut every single corner they can risk in order to have a fair game. It makes for terrible games that either works way too well (winning by flipping a coin so to speak), or ends up like some of the games today.

Ugly games. Wish the metagame was balanced enough so both sides would come into the game without having to rely on the extreme.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
September 01 2010 11:39 GMT
#1269
On September 01 2010 20:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 20:29 Ace wrote:
On September 01 2010 20:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Honestly, I think I get the underlying premise of what Stork was trying to do. After scouting the nine pool and setting up appropriately for it, the way he had his cannon placed there was no way Jaedong knew if he had 1 or 2 without pushing in with a lot of lings. Stork figured Jaedong wouldn't take that risk and I guess the minerals that cannon saved him would've made a certain push just that much sharper? I'm not a PvZ expert but not putting down a cannon when your opponent can't tell if you did isn't a bad idea in and of itself.

Unfortunately for Stork, Jaedong felt like Kwanro today.


As Z when you poke the zealots at the front if there's a second cannon it would fire at you. Even so it's worth it to poke the wall anyway to make sure Protoss isn't skimping.

Lo and behold King Silver gets caught skimping.


Yeah but with 2 zealots at the wall you're guaranteed losses if you do that. In theory, with his build scouted by that sneaky probe, Jaedong wouldn't commit because he knew Stork knew what was up.

It's like that one game where Kal scouted the hydra bust, assumed his opponent would try to transition out of it after getting scouted, but still lost. I really really hate that protoss style of play because with good scouting info you're ALREADY ahead, that's how the ForgeFE is designed, but Protosses seem so uncomfortable with PvZ that they do everything they can and, well, shit like this is why the last year of ZvP has been half hydra busts.


Jaedong just has to send 1 ling at the southern part (gateway side) of the wall to know if it's 1 or 2 cannons.

I think the problem with PvZ is that Protoss players in general have to be exceptionally good during the early stages of the game. Even knowing a hydra bust is coming most of them do ridiculous things like continue to pump mass sairs and the Zerg player just runs him over. It's why Bisu, Movie and Free(his old self) were so good - they just quickly adapted and tried to punish Zergs through multitasking/harassment or timing attacks.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
September 01 2010 11:40 GMT
#1270
Sigh, grats Flash I guess
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
September 01 2010 11:41 GMT
#1271
I hope FLash looses, For some reason I can't stomach him. Jaedong ftw tho.
Dead girls don't say no.
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
September 01 2010 11:41 GMT
#1272
On September 01 2010 20:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
It sucks even more because Stork blocked the first wave of lings so easily and the audience was cheering because they assumed he was going to win. Then it just kept slipping away. I was in shock

I was fist pumping after the first wave, thought Stork had it and from there... I can't recover. Wanted Stork to win so much.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
September 01 2010 11:41 GMT
#1273
On September 01 2010 20:38 hitthat wrote:
Thank god no imba cries...Protoss players are classy indeed. But if free wont make it, no Protoss gold
And if Flash will beat Jeadong than we will have another Terran-imba-cry-fest


Nobody's even talking about balance so why even bring it up? I swear these days there's even more posters whining about whining than there are people actually whining.
Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States405 Posts
September 01 2010 11:44 GMT
#1274
JD for his fourth OSL or Flash for his golden mouse, or Free for his royalroader-ness

either way, we will see something special in Shanghai
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
September 01 2010 11:45 GMT
#1275
I'm still kind of shocked at how it all went down. Not a single epic on Grand Line either =(

All I know is, this series was a GREAT microcosm of Stork as a player and Stork's career.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 11:47:43
September 01 2010 11:46 GMT
#1276
All the bitching is really irritating. I know that it always happens but here we are with the MSL and even Proleague facing defeat at the hands of Actiblizz and we're hating on a perfectly good best of five. Really, let your fan biases go a little bit and just think about how entertaining those games were. It's not like you were sitting there thinking "BO win" or "WTF retarded micro" and the like. There were intense micro battles that played the deciding role. What more can you expect?

I know every LR thread ends with page after page of fanboy hatred, and that's ok. I'm sure I've been there before, but please, just think of the entertainment factor before you say it was a bullshit series. You can hate the outcome but don't hate on that kind of play.

On September 01 2010 20:44 Pvvned wrote:
JD for his fourth OSL or Flash for his golden mouse, or Free for his royalroader-ness

either way, we will see something special in Shanghai

This is an example of a good attitude.
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
September 01 2010 11:46 GMT
#1277
On September 01 2010 20:41 Sqq wrote:
I hope FLash looses, For some reason I can't stomach him. Jaedong ftw tho.

reverse it and thats how i feel~
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 01 2010 11:46 GMT
#1278
On September 01 2010 20:45 darktreb wrote:
I'm still kind of shocked at how it all went down. Not a single epic on Grand Line either =(

All I know is, this series was a GREAT microcosm of Stork as a player and Stork's career.


Stork's career is FILLED with semifinals successes. :D
Remember Violet.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 01 2010 11:47 GMT
#1279
On September 01 2010 20:36 krndandaman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2010 20:28 Scaramanga wrote:
Are the fanboys calling for a jaedong free finals jaedong fanboys because they dont want flash to rape him silly again? or are they free fanboys because they are somhow delusional that free can actaully beat flash


as a jaedong fan, im calling for flash vs jaedong again so jaedong can have revenge.
O_O

On September 01 2010 20:29 okum wrote:
Sorry Jaedong, but I can't like you anymore. All you do nowadays is play a super-greedy turtle style that randomly loses to timing pushes, or you win with zergling all-ins. Granted, you had one good game against Flash (FS) and one decent game against Stork (EOTS) but all other games in recent history have been horrible. What happened to the JD of the past that crushed everything with impeccable defense and macro?

At least Stork tried to be creative this series, but he ultimately lost to the ZvP imbalance (one mistake and you're screwed) and his own stupidity.


he's always played like that (greedy as possible, defending with minimal units) also, none of those games were true all-ins.

game1- stork did a greedy build, jd did the 1 of 2 builds that punishes it (4pool/9pool) gg
game2- stork did a clever build which fooled jd. all jd needed was 1more sunken. oh wait (one mistake and you're screwed)
game3- jd got greedy and didn't make a sunken. if he just had 1 sunk he woulda defended that ezpz. had very nice scourging but just didnt have the units to win
game4 - stork went for a goonreaver timing, jd stomped it
game5 - stork had a great start, going 1cannon-nex-gate-tech against 9pool, but got greedy not putting that 2nd cannon down which jd saw. jd just shook his head -nono- and popped lings everywhere and killed stork.

i dont see much difference. stork was just as greedy as jaedong in the games just that stork succeeded in being greedy to an extent, while jd died whenever he was greedy.

The difference is that JD stood to gain a lot from being greedy and continuing to hatch and power drone, but Stork didn't stand to gain much of anything by saving 150 mins and then defend by pulling half the probes in his nat to hold off (even if he could have held off the lings indefinitely with 0 losses).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
September 01 2010 11:49 GMT
#1280
On September 01 2010 20:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 20:45 darktreb wrote:
I'm still kind of shocked at how it all went down. Not a single epic on Grand Line either =(

All I know is, this series was a GREAT microcosm of Stork as a player and Stork's career.


Stork's career is FILLED with semifinals successes. :D

Also with final semisuccesses.
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