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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:27 amorpheus wrote: not a single long game out of five blaming jd Now if only he would 5/9pool vs. flash's 14cc more often...then there would be a shit ton of game 4's of the MSL lol... | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:29 pR0gR4m3R wrote: Come on people!! This has been the best semis series IN AGES You're joking right? Considering the last semi we had was Flash vs Fantasy | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:28 Scaramanga wrote: Are the fanboys calling for a jaedong free finals jaedong fanboys because they dont want flash to rape him silly again? or are they free fanboys because they are somhow delusional that free can actaully beat flash I wouldn't exactly call 3-2 with Polaris x2 and Odd Eye 3 a rape, but if you wanna call it that, then be my guest. I think people just wanna see some change. I don't know about you, but I'm fucking tired of seeing TvZ every single BO5. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Honestly, I think I get the underlying premise of what Stork was trying to do. After scouting the nine pool and setting up appropriately for it, the way he had his cannon placed there was no way Jaedong knew if he had 1 or 2 without pushing in with a lot of lings. Stork figured Jaedong wouldn't take that risk and I guess the minerals that cannon saved him would've made a certain push just that much sharper? I'm not a PvZ expert but not putting down a cannon when your opponent can't tell if you did isn't a bad idea in and of itself. Unfortunately for Stork, Jaedong felt like Kwanro today. He could have put down a second cannon and still been economically ahead so, no, it's not very smart play. | ||
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
But then Flash getting his Golden Mouse would be awesome too | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
Can't say that I'm not disappointed though. I kind of expected at least one awesome game. Hopefully Flash vs Free will churn out something epic~ | ||
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Faranth
933 Posts
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:26 SkelA wrote: im kinda sad because Stork saw the lings coming and still didnt put 1-2 cannons T.T well its not that easy as saying you make 1 more cannon and you win it,you know he is muta teching meanwhile, so you need to tech as well,also half ur probes are defending so you have like half income and you keep making probes and zealots to defend which are way faster as making cannons.The thing is Stork would be ok with 1 cannon and pulling off probes occasionally but JD executed it insanely well I cant imagine any other zerg pulling that off. Also stop that crap about zerg rush imbaness (not you skela), that would be a free win for the protoss if JD wouldnt do it so perfectly,it was just sick  | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Probably the worst 5-game series I've ever seen. You're a joke, Stork. Cannon perfectly exposed vs 9 pool (because why put it behind a gateway or forge anyway), and you only made one, not to mention your fail block in game four, and your curious decision to fast nexus in game one. Thank you for reminding me why I hate you. Yeah. The games in this series were mostly lost by the loser, not won by the winner through spectacular play. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:30 Roffles wrote: I wouldn't exactly call 3-2 with Polaris x2 and Odd Eye 3 a rape, but if you wanna call it that, then be my guest. I think people just wanna see some change. I don't know about you, but I'm fucking tired of seeing TvZ every single BO5. I really enjoy PvZ and I really like Jaedong =) Im so glad there were 2 protosses in this Ro4...so it doesn't seeem that imbalance against toss lol......just so it doesn't seem that way xD | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:29 Ace wrote: As Z when you poke the zealots at the front if there's a second cannon it would fire at you. Even so it's worth it to poke the wall anyway to make sure Protoss isn't skimping. Lo and behold King Silver gets caught skimping. Yeah but with 2 zealots at the wall you're guaranteed losses if you do that. In theory, with his build scouted by that sneaky probe, Jaedong wouldn't commit because he knew Stork knew what was up. It's like that one game where Kal scouted the hydra bust, assumed his opponent would try to transition out of it after getting scouted, but still lost. I really really hate that protoss style of play because with good scouting info you're ALREADY ahead, that's how the ForgeFE is designed, but Protosses seem so uncomfortable with PvZ that they do everything they can and, well, shit like this is why the last year of ZvP has been half hydra busts. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:30 KristianJS wrote: You're joking right? Considering the last semi we had was Flash vs Fantasy Yeah. Now THAT was a series. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8092 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:30 Roffles wrote: I wouldn't exactly call 3-2 with Polaris x2 and Odd Eye 3 a rape, but if you wanna call it that, then be my guest. I think people just wanna see some change. I don't know about you, but I'm fucking tired of seeing TvZ every single BO5. Yeah it wasnt really rape i was just being a fanboy I really want to see some change but i still want to see my boy win his golden mousen, so i was pretty disapointed in stork tonight  | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:29 J1.au wrote: Flash versus Fantasy was 100x better than this. ~300x imho | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: It's like that one game where Kal got hydra busted, assumed his opponent would try to transition out of it after getting scouted, but still lost. I really really hate that protoss style of play because with good scouting info you're ALREADY ahead, that's how the ForgeFE is designed, but Protosses seem so uncomfortable with PvZ that they do everything they can and, well, shit like this is why the last year of ZvP has been half hydra busts. Well said. Protoss is so strong in the mid/late game if the players just allow themselves to get there, but somehow they don't do that... | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:31 Coulthard wrote: well its not that easy as saying you make 1 more cannon and you win it,you know he is muta teching meanwhile, so you need to tech as well,also half ur probes are defending so you have like half income and you keep making probes and zealots to defend which are way faster as making cannons.The thing is Stork would be ok with 1 cannon and pulling off probes occasionally but JD executed it insanely well I cant imagine any other zerg pulling that off. Also stop that crap about zerg rush imbaness (not you skela), that would be a free win for the protoss if JD wouldnt do it so perfectly,it was just sick ? Um its very easy to make 1 cannon and tech smoothly to corsairs. Honestly this is just blatantly wrong information you are posting. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:31 Coulthard wrote: well its not that easy as saying you make 1 more cannon and you win it,you know he is muta teching meanwhile, so you need to tech as well,also half ur probes are defending so you have like half income and you keep making probes and zealots to defend which are way faster as making cannons.The thing is Stork would be ok with 1 cannon and pulling off probes occasionally but JD executed it insanely well I cant imagine any other zerg pulling that off. Also stop that crap about zerg rush imbaness (not you skela), that would be a free win for the protoss if JD wouldnt do it so perfectly,it was just sick A second cannon would have meant he would have needed only 1 initial probe at the wall with the zealots instead of 3, and later on when he saw the amount of lings, he still would have lost less mining time (even assuming no probe losses) to make up for the 150 since the lings would have died quite a bit faster. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Honestly, I think I get the underlying premise of what Stork was trying to do. After scouting the nine pool and setting up appropriately for it, the way he had his cannon placed there was no way Jaedong knew if he had 1 or 2 without pushing in with a lot of lings. ?? JD knew there was only one cannon for the longest time since his OL was around On September 01 2010 20:28 Scaramanga wrote: its better to have to make up 150 minerals than to die to something like what jaedong did Precisely. If Stork simply played safe he'd still be in good shape since JD chose the very economically poor 9pool. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:28 Scaramanga wrote: Are the fanboys calling for a jaedong free finals jaedong fanboys because they dont want flash to rape him silly again? or are they free fanboys because they are somhow delusional that free can actaully beat flash I'm no fan of Flash, but the main reason I want Free to win is because I'm getting sick of Leessangrok finals. That's why I wouldn't have minded had JD lost this. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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