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[OSL] Semi-Final A Jaedong vs Stork - Page 67
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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JunZ
United States314 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:04 arbiter_md wrote: I really hope Stork learns the basic rules of safety after today games. He has to understand that he was the better player today, but lost because of his stupidity. He has to acknowledge that his PvZ is very good now, and he can play it straight up. As for Jaedong, he is good in ZvBioT. In the rest he is going according to the flow of meta-game. Nothing special. Yea, Jaedong's nothing special. He's only the best Zerg player to ever touch the game. Big deal, right? Not like he's won any titles or anything. He's just another calm or kwanro. Also, he totally isn't 69% in ZvZ...someone else was playing those games for him. | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
PS: I bet Flash would'n even need to research siege vs Free! He will just time-attack before Carriers  | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 02 2010 00:49 p14c wrote: The better player won. Come on guys do you really believe that Stork can beat Jaedong in a BO5? He surprised him with 2 timing attacks in games 2 and 3 but after that Jaedong adapted and make him look like a n00b in game 4 and 5. PS: I bet Flash would'n even need to research siege vs Free! He will just time-attack before Carriers Seriously GTFO! Of course Stork can beat Jaedong in a BO5. Have you even watched the game? Where is the adaptation seriously? Jaedong just Zerglings runby? That's not adaptation at all! He did it twice today, that's just Stork being greedy by building less cannons. And made Stork like a noob in game 5? Stork BRILLIANTLY blocked Jaedong's lings with his units, if anything Stork is the one that made Jaedong look like a noob there. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:36 arbiter_md wrote: Do you know who was the zerg to use the 6 hatch hydras build in zvp (the build from game4)? What about the first zerg to play a ultra-less game in ZvMech? What was the last creative thing, Jaedong did? How about redefining the ZvZ matchup? Or setting the mutalisk control standard for over 2 years? Or pioneering the use of mutas to snipe high templars in ZvP? Or re-emerging the 2 hatch muta as a viable build to transition from in ZvT? Or being the first zerg to figure out how to slaughter fantasy's quick vulture drop build? Or having the highest ELO of any Zerg? Or beating 2 of the top 3 TvZers in best of 5 sets on one of the worst ZvT map pools at a time when Terrans are killing Zergs left and right? Also I don't think Stork played all that well. Unfortunately your understanding of the game is so piss poor all you see is "Stork has a lot of units killing Jaedong's less units, RAPE". Game 2 his execution was really bad, attempting to go for a corsair DT build but losing 2 of his first 3 corsairs. Luckily for him Jaedong underestimated the subsequent zealot push. Had jaedong built 1 more sunken or spawned his round of hydras seconds earlier he would be on 3 fuly saturating bases with a 4th starting vs Stork's 2 bases with a 3rd building. He didn't tho, and after the zealots killed his +1 armor upgrade, a hatchery, and a bunch of drones it didn't take anything from Stork other than make more gateways. Any crappy protoss could have finished that. Same with game 3, jaedong got greedy in delaying his sunken so much, nothing too special from Stork's part. Brush up on your game knowledge and don't make such stupid and shortsighted remarks until you understand it better, otherwise you just look really foolish. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On September 02 2010 00:49 p14c wrote: The better player won. Come on guys do you really believe that Stork can beat Jaedong in a BO5? He surprised him with 2 timing attacks in games 2 and 3 but after that Jaedong adapted and make him look like a n00b in game 4 and 5. PS: I bet Flash would'n even need to research siege vs Free! He will just time-attack before Carriers Yes, its stork. Damn non-believers | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
This was his silver to win. | ||
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darkmetal505
United States639 Posts
On September 02 2010 00:58 SubtleArt wrote: Btw is it just me or has jaedong been really weak to timing attacks lately? It's not that he's particularly weak against them, it's that they are being used more frequently against JD. The whole purpose of a timing attack against a zerg is to exploit the transition between drone-ing up and building units when minimal defenses won't cut it. The key would be to scout the build or star sense it but most of the time the opponent won't let you scout it. If it is scouted or if it is poorly executed (Game 4), then it becomes easy to shut it down and win the game. It mainly comes down how prepared the player performing the attack is. What the hell is with all this angst against aggressive zergling play again? Why do some people feel like Jaedong is obligated to play the way they want him to play? This guy plays to win, not to please you. If a zergling attack has a 50% chance of working, then it's gamble. If there is a 75% it will work, hell I'd do it every single game. Why wouldn't you? Because you want to sit there and let the opponent build up his economy so you can give him a easier chance of winning it later? Fuck that, if I can win in the first 5 minutes of every game, you bet your ass I'll do it every single game. The thing is, at the pro level, it's not even that easy! If Stork skips on cannons (especially after he's scouted the build) then it's his fault. Anything like that just increases the zerg's chances even more. If he defends it, then the zerg is in deep trouble! If anything, aggressive zergling is just another timing attack: hit the opponent when he has minimal defenses and units. If JD had tried it a minute later (Game 5), then I'm sure Stork would've had more than enough zealots to block it. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:29 darkmetal505 wrote: It's not that he's particularly weak against them, it's that they are being used more frequently against JD. The whole purpose of a timing attack against a zerg is to exploit the transition between drone-ing up and building units when minimal defenses won't cut it. The key would be to scout the build or star sense it but most of the time the opponent won't let you scout it. If it is scouted or if it is poorly executed (Game 4), then it becomes easy to shut it down and win the game. It mainly comes down how prepared the player performing the attack is. What the hell is with all this angst against aggressive zergling play again? Why do some people feel like Jaedong is obligated to play the way they want him to play? This guy plays to win, not to please you. If a zergling attack has a 50% chance of working, then it's gamble. If there is a 75% it will work, hell I'd do it every single game. Why wouldn't you? Because you want to sit there and let the opponent build up his economy so you can give him a easier chance of winning it later? Fuck that, if I can win in the first 5 minutes of every game, you bet your ass I'll do it every single game. The thing is, at the pro level, it's not even that easy! If Stork skips on cannons (especially after he's scouted the build) then it's his fault. Anything like that just increases the zerg's chances even more. If he defends it, then the zerg is in deep trouble! If anything, aggressive zergling is just another timing attack: hit the opponent when he has minimal defenses and units. If JD had tried it a minute later (Game 5), then I'm sure Stork would've had more than enough zealots to block it. It's cause the game knowledge of some of the people here is so bad that anything less than 200 / 200 armies being hurled at each other for 30 minutes is either "boring", "lame", or "poor play from the loser" | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On September 02 2010 00:54 Xiphos wrote: Seriously GTFO! Of course Stork can beat Jaedong in a BO5. Have you even watched the game? Where is the adaptation seriously? Jaedong just Zerglings runby? That's not adaptation at all! He did it twice today, that's just Stork being greedy by building less cannons. And made Stork like a noob in game 5? Stork BRILLIANTLY blocked Jaedong's lings with his units, if anything Stork is the one that made Jaedong look like a noob there. Read your own post a few times and bang your head against the wall. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
It's still pretty amazing he got this far again and had a chance for revenge. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
Another potential Flash v. Jaedong incoming? Honestly, I might get pelted by the fanboys, but I'm really tired of seeing that Finals matchup. Too much of it has really dimished the rivalry and now it's the same old tired TvZ Finals that has been such the trend recently. Not to say TvZ isn't fun and all but when it comes packed with some of the people who whine TvZ IMBA, it just turns into a shitstorm of a thread. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:19 Apex wrote: NOOO STORK. The last hope of Protoss... Another potential Flash v. Jaedong incoming? Honestly, I might get pelted by the fanboys, but I'm really tired of seeing that Finals matchup. Too much of it has really dimished the rivalry and now it's the same old tired TvZ Finals that has been such the trend recently. Not to say TvZ isn't fun and all but when it comes packed with some of the people who whine TvZ IMBA, it just turns into a shitstorm of a thread. As long as its not a mirror match up theres obviously going to be talk of imbalance if the favored race wins. I really hope Free beats flash though, mainly cause I want jaedong to win and I don't think he can take flash. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
was nice to see him smile at the end of the vod heh. good try stork though : O | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
GL JD, I like you more than Flash anyway. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:22 konadora wrote: OK FREE LET'S GO 3-0 FLASH 3-0 JAEDONG FIRST EVER LOSSLESS ROYAL ROADER if this happens i will smash my keyboard in idrarage and never watch SC again | ||
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