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While watching flash vs soulkey i think something people might have missed is that instead of going straight for soulkey's hatch at 1 flash stayed back and sniped some lurks. At first it might look like on the surface just fancy mm micro but when i saw him do this i was wondering why he wasnt going for the hatch. At first i thought he was being really greedy to get a few kills while killing the hatch too and i thought it could backfire if soulkey had more lings but then i realized why he wasnt going up and why'd he use the dropship. He was thinking 1 step ahead assuming soulkey already had lurks up the ramp.
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On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote:
I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies. look at fOrGG rofl I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance. nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
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On April 19 2010 21:27 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote:
I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies. look at fOrGG rofl I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance. nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that. Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
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Finally, at least one player (other than Flash) from KT didn't fail.
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flash's decicion making is unparallel right now, it's like he plays with hacks on all the time
he's so ahead in the strat that his games seems very one sided, he already knows what the opponent is doing and how to counter it
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Flash is just stupid right now lol
Every morning I check LR threads curious to see if his name isn't bold…nope
kid just DOES NOT LOSE
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On April 19 2010 21:29 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:27 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote:
I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies. look at fOrGG rofl I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance. nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that. Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome. It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
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Flash laughs at PvT advantage.
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On April 19 2010 21:27 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote:
I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies. look at fOrGG rofl I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance. nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that. Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
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Ptff, it's all Zero's fault. 
Flash is imba, and needs a severe nerf, yeah yeah, we all know that.
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On April 19 2010 20:44 Faranth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 20:32 FaCE_1 wrote:
They should make Flash start with 3 SCV or something O_o
since Free have s pretty high elo, will flash finally get the highest vP Elo :o Yeah... Flash is on the verge of overtaking Jaedong as the highest ELO versus both Zerg and Protoss (~20 points away in each) ever... Give it a few more weeks, and he'll be undisputed as the most dominant player, ELO-wise, ever.
Seriously? The Fact that Flash's TvP is about to be statistically better that the best Zerg's ZvP is just unreal.
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On April 19 2010 21:39 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:27 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote:
I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies. look at fOrGG rofl I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance. nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that. Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome. Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game.
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On April 19 2010 21:39 dukethegold wrote:Ptff, it's all Zero's fault. Flash is imba, and needs a severe nerf, yeah yeah, we all know that.
Just what i wanted to say
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On April 19 2010 21:47 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:39 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 21:27 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote:
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look at fOrGG rofl I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance. nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that. Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome. Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back. Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game.
I was just replying to your posts where you say it would be a waste of time for him to help his teammates. Helping his teammates in the long run helps him since it gives him less stress.
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I just saw Flash's PvT is 70%, Congrats to him  .
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On April 19 2010 21:49 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:47 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:39 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 21:27 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote:
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I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance. nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that. Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome. Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back. Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game. I was just replying to your posts where you say it would be a waste of time for him to help his teammates. Helping his teammates in the long run helps him since it gives him less stress.
I'm going to take the advice in your signature and ignore you!
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On April 19 2010 21:27 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
While watching flash vs soulkey i think something people might have missed is that instead of going straight for soulkey's hatch at 1 flash stayed back and sniped some lurks. At first it might look like on the surface just fancy mm micro but when i saw him do this i was wondering why he wasnt going for the hatch. At first i thought he was being really greedy to get a few kills while killing the hatch too and i thought it could backfire if soulkey had more lings but then i realized why he wasnt going up and why'd he use the dropship. He was thinking 1 step ahead assuming soulkey already had lurks up the ramp.
Interesting point, imo he was going up clearing a path for the dropship making sure that no scourge to hit the dropship and there wernt any units for soulkey to spot the dship heading up there, using that dship he could elevator past any lurkers at the ramp, also thats why i think he stoped that small group and focused so heavily on killing those lurkers because it means that less reinforcements were going to get up there which gives the units in his dropship a greater chance of killing off the hatch
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And my reasoning why he never actually scanned to check if there were lurks at 1 if he's going to assume lurks were already up at 1's ramp it would be a wasted scan if they were already there. So he would use his saved scan to use his dropship force and his control group already out to trap soulkey's lurks and kill all of them while dropping in soulkey's 3rd after cleaning them up. To be so cost efficient even with his scans. The thinking behind all of this is just insane.
On April 19 2010 21:57 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 21:49 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 21:47 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:39 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On April 19 2010 21:27 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:19 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote:On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote:On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
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nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps. I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however. it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win. Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible. I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that. Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome. Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back. Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game. I was just replying to your posts where you say it would be a waste of time for him to help his teammates. Helping his teammates in the long run helps him since it gives him less stress. I'm going to take the advice in your signature and ignore you!
LOL gg
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One should always rewatch games with Flash several times; there are generally really awesome strategical details to be found that are easy to miss when watching live.
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Uncountable korean´s aspiring to become big in starcraft, tons of semipro clans and houses, often investing as much time as any pro. Frequent tournaments with only one out of 264 players getting a prolicense without a guaranteed spot in a proteam. The proteams themselves having a B-team and an A-team, while the players we see on TV or streams are the absolute, most talented, best of the best.
And there´s still someone who dominates these players to this ridiculous degree. God, i love starcraft
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