Shinhan Bank Proleague 09-10 Round 4 Week 2 vs. KT Rolster vs. Woongjin Stars Monday, Apr 19 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Lineups will be announced before each game.
I like to look at what each team has as a whole before I decide specifically on predictions. The way I see it, Woongjin Stars has the stronger team. And my opinion shows. Two 3-0 shutouts against the likes of Samsung KHAN and SK Telecom T1 in this round. In an arena Where KT Flash cannot succeed alone... they are going to be just barely scraping by if they manage to win this game. The fact of the matter is, Woongjin Stars has plenty of players who are doing "pretty well". While KT only has 1 player who is unstoppable, and a couple other players who are doing "okay".
The way I see it on this map is this: Terran beats Zerg, Zerg beats Protoss, Protoss beats Terran. KT knows they have no strong Zerg to counter Protoss, so they have to send out a Terran or a Protoss. Woongjin Stars has to figure they are sending out either Flash, fOrGG, or Stats/Violet thus they send a strong Protoss to counter it in the form of free, hopefully in an attempt to snipe Flash. But I bet they send out fOrGG. Free wins because he is better overall. Probably match of the night.
On April 19 2010 17:39 Ozarugold wrote: Predictions... Flash < Free 815 > Stats Barracks < Zero Violet > Kwanro Flash > Zero
Yargh! Flash wins in revenge ace match!
I love the 815 beats Stats part.
Originally I had ForGG playing on Judgement, but for some unexplainable I think KT is expecting a protoss on that map so I put in 815 and I think he'll ride map (and kinda racial) imbalance for the win~
On April 19 2010 17:39 Ozarugold wrote: Predictions... Flash < Free 815 > Stats Barracks < Zero Violet > Kwanro Flash > Zero
Yargh! Flash wins in revenge ace match!
I love the 815 beats Stats part.
Originally I had ForGG playing on Judgement, but for some unexplainable I think KT is expecting a protoss on that map so I put in 815 and I think he'll ride map (and kinda racial) imbalance for the win~
On April 19 2010 17:39 Ozarugold wrote: Predictions... Flash < Free 815 > Stats Barracks < Zero Violet > Kwanro Flash > Zero
Yargh! Flash wins in revenge ace match!
I love the 815 beats Stats part.
Originally I had ForGG playing on Judgement, but for some unexplainable I think KT is expecting a protoss on that map so I put in 815 and I think he'll ride map (and kinda racial) imbalance for the win~
I don't see KT losing 3 in a row so they'll probably take this 3-2. Flash will be playing twice so KT just needs 1 win from someone else. Very probable.
On April 19 2010 18:10 HopLight wrote: I find it kind of hilarious that pretty much everyone could guess KT would send ForGG, the KT coaches aren't that good at tactics are they?
They dont have to be good at tactics mate , cuz they got Flash!
On April 19 2010 18:10 HopLight wrote: I find it kind of hilarious that pretty much everyone could guess KT would send ForGG, the KT coaches aren't that good at tactics are they?
They dont have to be good at tactics mate , cuz they got Flash!
The coach needs to someone wring one win from the 3 other players they send out each night!
Observer floats into fOrGG's main to see him start on four more factories. free moving out with mostly (I think pure?) goons. Comsat station being added at main CC. Arbiter tribunal about to finish. Obs in main gets driven away by turret. Holy shit that's a LOT of factories for fOrGG. Armories spinning...
Vultures harassing, laying mines, killing a few probes and running away from 3. They head down to 4:30, and start attacking the pylons at the wall. Dragoons are coming. What the hell so many dragoons. PURE GOON.
I thought ForG would lose his vultures at bottom right, but luckily free's forces moved slower than expected... ForGG with a lotta vults incoming... I'm getting chills ^_^
forgg sits a rine at 6 to make sure free doesn't expand there without him knowing he starts his push but he's driven back by free's army, which has quite a few speedzeals
free backing away from fOrGG as tanks siege outside fOrGG's third. Big battle coming! fOrGG on high ground! No siege... not enough tanks...? NOOOOOO BUFFER.
The rest of fOrGG's army is beaten back and isolated at 10:30 by speedlots. free rolling toward the third now. Stasis on three tanks! fOrGG in trouble, attempts some harass at 3:00. Gets a cannon and a few probes, but there are goons. Third CC lifted... flying... and it's down. Attack driven back, but for a heavy cost for fOrGG. 4 bases to 2 currently.
free rolling toward the third again with a lottttttt of units. fOrGG trying to stall by laying mines and retreating vults. free's in the third! Stasis on four tanks! ...6... 7.. :O The CC goes DOWN again. fOrGG still on 2 bases. free expands to top left. 6 bases to 2. fOrGG in trouble.
Attack driven back again. fOrGG at a massive economy disadvantage though. Won't be long till he's overpowered. Another stargate added for free. Carrier transition?
A swarm of zealots and goons take out vultures as they try to lay mines. ...free once again at the third. Theme of the night. Aaaaaaaand CC down again. free pulls out again.
forgg's finally built up enough tanks again to be confident to send them out to actually siege at the lowground at 9. but they're so clumped - begging for an arbiter to hit them
finally forgg sends something to attack free's base at 11 - 2 tanks siege on the ramp
arbiter heads to the main at the factories - but it gets emp'd!
Recall going in main. EMP'ed! Tanks assaulting 12 from outside. Tanks are haxxx. 12 down. free finally takes out tanks at 10:30 which were killings probes.
On April 19 2010 18:35 Graham wrote: Shocked that ForGG has managed to drag it out this long.
Seriously? You do know he plays terran right?
Free is also notoriously goofy when he gets massively ahead, so no suprise he didn't finish it quickly. He probably has a gazillion minerals in the bank anyway, so it doesn't really matter to him
That was pretty good on free's part but I think he could've ended that way sooner if he had played his cards right. The scouts at the end were so bm lol
On April 19 2010 18:38 nozaro33 wrote: *sigh* why does Forgg do good in individual leagues yet fails at PL?
because he is a selfish little bitch? I have yet to see a PL game where forgg played decent.
Wow way to judge people and fail. His competition in the OSL has been pretty damn soft. And he's been playing a lot of Protoss players in PL.
His OSL grp was exactly like him, mediocre, it had 4 mediocre players and he went 3-0. free is also mediocre, yet failgg played like utter shit, if you don't realize he doesn't give 2 shits about PL then you are deluding yourself.
Oooh valk hitting Ovies gets scourged :O First tank out for Flash. Flash going for the third, dodging lurks! Soulkey tries a lurker flank, fails. Flash says "lol nou" Continuing to make his way toward the third with that small group. Soulkey sighs.
I'd love to see soulkey's face when he watches that replay....
Flash's micro in the beginning gave me goose bumps, and his mid & lategame play was just plain insane. I too wonder if Flash has some kind of grudge against soulkey or if he just wanted to show off, but he did look a little angry after winning... :>
That was ridiculous. First that MnM micro to kill the lurkers, then going up to 10 bases (!!!!!) and then a huge coordinated multifront attack to finish it off. Insane.
On April 19 2010 19:43 Mooncat wrote: I'd love to see soulkey's face when he watches that replay....
Flash's micro in the beginning gave me goose bumps, and his mid & lategame play was just plain insane. I too wonder if Flash has some kind of grudge against soulkey or if he just wanted to show off, but he did look a little angry after winning... :>
i think flash is pissed that a zergs go 3 hatch no pool now without the skills of jd to back it up
lol i stopped watching this after soulkeys horrible early lurker play and it seems the game whent on so much longer. Seriously it shouldve ended in 12-15 minutes at most.
On April 19 2010 19:50 kyzers0ze wrote: wtf since when was kwanro 4th on kespa?
since all zergs started sucking in SLs apart from Kwanro?
When Kwanro reached his final, 6 out of 8 semi-finalists were Zerg.
Yeah and Kwanro was a finalist, meaning he already gets out a ton more kespa points than the others, and the MSL after that he finished in Ro4 and he has been in the OSL Ro16 for ages.
On April 19 2010 19:50 kyzers0ze wrote: wtf since when was kwanro 4th on kespa?
since all zergs started sucking in SLs apart from Kwanro?
When Kwanro reached his final, 6 out of 8 semi-finalists were Zerg.
Yeah and Kwanro was a finalist, meaning he already gets out a ton more kespa points than the others, and the MSL after that he finished in Ro4 and he has been in the OSL Ro16 for ages.
Kwanro is the best SL zerg next to Jaedong.
But saying all other Zergs were sucking when they made up 6 out of 8 semi-finalists is a bit rough, don't you think?
On April 19 2010 20:33 purpose wrote: We have come to a point were people are so scared of flash, so sure of losing that Flash dont even have to bother.
If they get a huge advantage, people just freak out, am I about to beat flash, this cant be happening, what what what.....ohh I fucked up gg.
The games are over before they even started!
You just described every game that FBH has played vs Flash.
On April 19 2010 20:33 purpose wrote: We have come to a point were people are so scared of flash, so sure of losing that Flash dont even have to bother.
If they get a huge advantage, people just freak out, am I about to beat flash, this cant be happening, what what what.....ohh I fucked up gg.
The games are over before they even started!
ROFL That is very very true.... People cant finnish Flash
On April 19 2010 20:33 purpose wrote: We have come to a point were people are so scared of flash, so sure of losing that Flash dont even have to bother.
If they get a huge advantage, people just freak out, am I about to beat flash, this cant be happening, what what what.....ohh I fucked up gg.
The games are over before they even started!
haha yes
flash mentioned in his interview that "If you want to be as good as me, your sense has to be at 100-dan (basically, you have to be a god)"
I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
On April 19 2010 20:45 KristianJS wrote: Flash developing the same aura Federer had back in his prime, where the match was half-won before it even started
There is Michael Jordan, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Pele and yup There is Flash
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
Some people are so talented they don't need coaches to become the best. Again there's an apt comparison with Roger Federer.
On April 19 2010 20:32 FaCE_1 wrote: They should make Flash start with 3 SCV or something O_o since Free have s pretty high elo, will flash finally get the highest vP Elo :o
Yeah... Flash is on the verge of overtaking Jaedong as the highest ELO versus both Zerg and Protoss (~20 points away in each) ever...
Give it a few more weeks, and he'll be undisputed as the most dominant player, ELO-wise, ever.
Not sure about this, he's going into the BOX portions of both leagues. Typically players see their highest ELO right about now because coming up you're fairly guaranteed to drop a few games in BOX play. That said Flash has improved his vP by ~80 points since this point in the last leagues so maybe he will.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
Much love to Flash and all, but I think Stats was the real hero for not only being the guy to propel Flash into ace but doing so in an extremely well executed game vs one of the top zvp'ers. His multitasking had me on the edge of my seat.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
The coahing staff deserves some credit too. Flash gets off days, or doesn't have to play ace, when he has a tight schedule. And the other KT players have improved too, it's just not as dramatic as Flash.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
that ace match was an absolute slaughter. seriously, holy shit, free looked helpless the entire game. literally everything he tried was either useless or completely negated
that push was HUGE and came so fast free didnt even have leg upgrades for his zealots, forget arbiters/stasis...
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
I think he cried because of what he went through after he won his first OSL, going from 14cc, " I don't need turrets" and being eliminated from every MSL and OSL due to abuse/cheese or his own mistakes. I think that after he won his second OSL he truly felt how hard the road to winning an OSL really is, and thus cried tears of joy . If anyone deserved an OSL last year, it was Flash.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to make the best choices possible.
Flash understood the game better than most two years ago.
But he had to mature and get a better mentality to really break out.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
While watching flash vs soulkey i think something people might have missed is that instead of going straight for soulkey's hatch at 1 flash stayed back and sniped some lurks. At first it might look like on the surface just fancy mm micro but when i saw him do this i was wondering why he wasnt going for the hatch. At first i thought he was being really greedy to get a few kills while killing the hatch too and i thought it could backfire if soulkey had more lings but then i realized why he wasnt going up and why'd he use the dropship. He was thinking 1 step ahead assuming soulkey already had lurks up the ramp.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
On April 19 2010 20:32 FaCE_1 wrote: They should make Flash start with 3 SCV or something O_o since Free have s pretty high elo, will flash finally get the highest vP Elo :o
Yeah... Flash is on the verge of overtaking Jaedong as the highest ELO versus both Zerg and Protoss (~20 points away in each) ever...
Give it a few more weeks, and he'll be undisputed as the most dominant player, ELO-wise, ever.
Seriously? The Fact that Flash's TvP is about to be statistically better that the best Zerg's ZvP is just unreal.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game.
On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote: [quote] look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game.
I was just replying to your posts where you say it would be a waste of time for him to help his teammates. Helping his teammates in the long run helps him since it gives him less stress.
On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote: [quote] I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game.
I was just replying to your posts where you say it would be a waste of time for him to help his teammates. Helping his teammates in the long run helps him since it gives him less stress.
I'm going to take the advice in your signature and ignore you!
On April 19 2010 21:27 Ilikestarcraft wrote: While watching flash vs soulkey i think something people might have missed is that instead of going straight for soulkey's hatch at 1 flash stayed back and sniped some lurks. At first it might look like on the surface just fancy mm micro but when i saw him do this i was wondering why he wasnt going for the hatch. At first i thought he was being really greedy to get a few kills while killing the hatch too and i thought it could backfire if soulkey had more lings but then i realized why he wasnt going up and why'd he use the dropship. He was thinking 1 step ahead assuming soulkey already had lurks up the ramp.
Interesting point, imo he was going up clearing a path for the dropship making sure that no scourge to hit the dropship and there wernt any units for soulkey to spot the dship heading up there, using that dship he could elevator past any lurkers at the ramp, also thats why i think he stoped that small group and focused so heavily on killing those lurkers because it means that less reinforcements were going to get up there which gives the units in his dropship a greater chance of killing off the hatch
And my reasoning why he never actually scanned to check if there were lurks at 1 if he's going to assume lurks were already up at 1's ramp it would be a wasted scan if they were already there. So he would use his saved scan to use his dropship force and his control group already out to trap soulkey's lurks and kill all of them while dropping in soulkey's 3rd after cleaning them up. To be so cost efficient even with his scans. The thinking behind all of this is just insane.
On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote: [quote] nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
Even if Flash did help his teammates it would only result in less practice time and less televised games. It's the responsibility of the coaches to do that, and I doubt they would approve of it either. They want their top player focusing 100% on his own game.
I was just replying to your posts where you say it would be a waste of time for him to help his teammates. Helping his teammates in the long run helps him since it gives him less stress.
I'm going to take the advice in your signature and ignore you!
One should always rewatch games with Flash several times; there are generally really awesome strategical details to be found that are easy to miss when watching live.
Uncountable korean´s aspiring to become big in starcraft, tons of semipro clans and houses, often investing as much time as any pro. Frequent tournaments with only one out of 264 players getting a prolicense without a guaranteed spot in a proteam. The proteams themselves having a B-team and an A-team, while the players we see on TV or streams are the absolute, most talented, best of the best. And there´s still someone who dominates these players to this ridiculous degree. God, i love starcraft
On April 19 2010 20:49 konadora wrote: [quote] look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
It's not like you had a good argument to begin with
Anyway, it was nice to see Stats get a good win after that small losing streak he had going and despite how fun it is to see Flash win, the ace match was a bit disappointing.
On April 19 2010 20:51 J1.au wrote: [quote] I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
It's not like you had a good argument to begin with
Anyway, it was nice to see Stats get a good win after that small losing streak he had going and despite how fun it is to see Flash win, the ace match was a bit disappointing.
On April 19 2010 21:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote: [quote] nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
It's not like you had a good argument to begin with
Anyway, it was nice to see Stats get a good win after that small losing streak he had going and despite how fun it is to see Flash win, the ace match was a bit disappointing.
Nice, got any more one-liners to throw my way?
I'm confused is a "one-liner" supposed to be a sentence that is one line of text?
If you are trying to insinuate that what I said was a joke you would have to be pretty arrogant to believe that what you wrote prior was sound or had any good reasoning at all.
On April 19 2010 21:03 J1.au wrote: [quote] I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
It's not like you had a good argument to begin with
Anyway, it was nice to see Stats get a good win after that small losing streak he had going and despite how fun it is to see Flash win, the ace match was a bit disappointing.
Nice, got any more one-liners to throw my way?
I'm confused is a "one-liner" supposed to be a sentence that is one line of text?
If you are trying to insinuate that what I said was a joke you would have to be pretty arrogant to believe that what you wrote prior was sound or had any good reasoning at all.
A one-liner is a one line post that takes a minimum of effort. It's fine in most contexts, but if you're saying I'm wrong you'll have to do better. It's lazy and reflects poorly on you.
If you think I'm wrong, please tell me why. I'm more than happy to learn new things.
On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote: [quote] it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
It's not like you had a good argument to begin with
Anyway, it was nice to see Stats get a good win after that small losing streak he had going and despite how fun it is to see Flash win, the ace match was a bit disappointing.
Nice, got any more one-liners to throw my way?
I'm confused is a "one-liner" supposed to be a sentence that is one line of text?
If you are trying to insinuate that what I said was a joke you would have to be pretty arrogant to believe that what you wrote prior was sound or had any good reasoning at all.
A one-liner is a one line post that takes a minimum of effort. It's fine in most contexts, but if you're saying I'm wrong you'll have to do better. It's lazy and reflects poorly on you.
If you think I'm wrong, please tell me why. I'm more than happy to learn new things.
I never said you were wrong, I merely said you had a poor argument, and that did not warrant acting like a pompous asshole.
On April 19 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote: [quote] Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
It's not like you had a good argument to begin with
Anyway, it was nice to see Stats get a good win after that small losing streak he had going and despite how fun it is to see Flash win, the ace match was a bit disappointing.
Nice, got any more one-liners to throw my way?
I'm confused is a "one-liner" supposed to be a sentence that is one line of text?
If you are trying to insinuate that what I said was a joke you would have to be pretty arrogant to believe that what you wrote prior was sound or had any good reasoning at all.
A one-liner is a one line post that takes a minimum of effort. It's fine in most contexts, but if you're saying I'm wrong you'll have to do better. It's lazy and reflects poorly on you.
If you think I'm wrong, please tell me why. I'm more than happy to learn new things.
I never said you were wrong, I merely said you had a poor argument, and that did not warrant acting like a pompous asshole.
Ok, maybe you can tell me how to improve my argument?
Nice. With Flash > Free, Flash has now simultaneously beaten the last of the six dragons since his ridiculous tear, broken his own TvP elo record, and his TvP has reached 70%, meaning 70+% across all matchups.
I like how M18M has the fifth highest PvT elo because he beat Flash once and then never played again.
I mean I know Fakesteve is gonna come in here and call me a retard and say how great M18M is at PvT because he crushed Sea that one time and whenever a nobody beats Sea they're automatically amazing, but it's still pretty funny that someone who's played one game of PvT in the past 2 seasons (hasn't played televised since GOM S3 before Flash) is #5 PvT.
ps: Stats fucking rules and I will hear nothing else. It's not a shame for Zero to lose to him. Stats played straight up and won with very solid play. Violet could learn from that.
On April 19 2010 22:14 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: Uncountable korean´s aspiring to become big in starcraft, tons of semipro clans and houses, often investing as much time as any pro. Frequent tournaments with only one out of 264 players getting a prolicense without a guaranteed spot in a proteam. The proteams themselves having a B-team and an A-team, while the players we see on TV or streams are the absolute, most talented, best of the best. And there´s still someone who dominates these players to this ridiculous degree. God, i love starcraft
Epic statement. Too bad it's too long for a witty signature.
On April 19 2010 22:14 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: Uncountable korean´s aspiring to become big in starcraft, tons of semipro clans and houses, often investing as much time as any pro. Frequent tournaments with only one out of 264 players getting a prolicense without a guaranteed spot in a proteam. The proteams themselves having a B-team and an A-team, while the players we see on TV or streams are the absolute, most talented, best of the best. And there´s still someone who dominates these players to this ridiculous degree. God, i love starcraft
Epic statement. Too bad it's too long for a witty signature.
but there is more these "uncountable koreans" would absolutely dominate a myriad of more casual/foreign players keeping all this in mind, flash's skill is almost beyond comprehension for us mortals
On April 19 2010 21:39 dukethegold wrote: Ptff, it's all Zero's fault.
Flash is imba, and needs a severe nerf, yeah yeah, we all know that.
Just what i wanted to say
Shush, Stats played fucking good.
Guys, remember that Effort lost to Stats as well (and effort haven't been slumping in ZvP).
Not the same thing. Stats used the Movie Goon rush build to defeat Effort.
That goon rush build was made famous when Movie (just after he debuted) defeated Jaedong (non-slumping and raping) with it. It's pretty much the Protoss version of 2 factory.
If Zerg prepares adequately he is in a much better position than the Zerg though. If Protoss holds a 2factory Terran isn't nearly as behind as the Protoss would be IMO.
I usually hate when people start searching for bonjwas, but for the first time in years I'm saying "Yes, we do have a bonjwa"
Actually, Flash is so fucking invencible that I don't even think calling him a bonjwa is enough. He seems to be in another category. He's the first Godjwa.
Interview says that Flash did his 10 base expansion thing as a sort of revenge against Free's scouts. He also says he thought about nukes, but he thought that was BM.
On April 19 2010 22:14 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: Uncountable korean´s aspiring to become big in starcraft, tons of semipro clans and houses, often investing as much time as any pro. Frequent tournaments with only one out of 264 players getting a prolicense without a guaranteed spot in a proteam. The proteams themselves having a B-team and an A-team, while the players we see on TV or streams are the absolute, most talented, best of the best. And there´s still someone who dominates these players to this ridiculous degree. God, i love starcraft
Epic statement. Too bad it's too long for a witty signature.
but there is more these "uncountable koreans" would absolutely dominate a myriad of more casual/foreign players keeping all this in mind, flash's skill is almost beyond comprehension for us mortals
I, a D player, would get raped almost every game by a decent mid-level foreigner. He in turn would get raped almost every game by a top foreigner. He in turn would get crushed by a korean semi-pro/B-teamer. He in turn would get crushed by the avarage A-teamer. And then there's a huuuuuuuuuuuge skillgap up to Flash. It's pretty amazing, ya.
Wow, how does Flash prove EVERY TIME that KT is absolutely NOTHING without Flash?
wait, actually...
How does KT prove EVERY TIME that KT is absolutely NOTHING without Flash?!?! Fail after Fail.
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On April 20 2010 02:07 Jaester88 wrote: Interview says that Flash did his 10 base expansion thing as a sort of revenge against Free's scouts. He also says he thought about nukes, but he thought that was BM.
LOL oh Flash. I guess he believes 10 base expansion is perfectly viable then?
On April 20 2010 02:07 Jaester88 wrote: Interview says that Flash did his 10 base expansion thing as a sort of revenge against Free's scouts. He also says he thought about nukes, but he thought that was BM.
LOL oh Flash. I guess he believes 10 base expansion is perfectly viable then?
Well, it's the perfect counter to hidden expansions or getting outexpanded after all lol.
On April 19 2010 20:47 Zona wrote: I wonder how Flash continues to improve himself. It's definitely not some KT coaching magic, as his teammates don't display even an iota of Flash's skill, game sense, and strategies.
look at fOrGG rofl
I get the feeling that Flash keeps his secrets to himself. I have no doubt that Flash could improve every player in his team if he wanted to. However it would come at a cost to his own dominance.
nope if you saw the pro rep leak a lot of flash's reps were the ones leaked. He definitely is a lot more open. I heard jaedong never shares his reps.
I'm not talking about secret strategies or timings you can get from replays. Rather the unique way Flash approaches the game, in particular, his decision making processes. He is very capable of explaining why he does things, I don't believe he does so however.
it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
Honestly i disagree with your logic. To flash helping his teammate would in the end benefit him more because it would leave more time for him to focus on the individual leagues. He wouldn't have to feel pressure to carry his team behind his back.
Violet: "When I practice against flash, I went into a one month long slump"
Flash carrying his team again. Seriously, why Flash team mates cannot win more than 1 game?! GJ Stats for taking down Zero but honestly, the rest of guys should step up...
all right that's it. I converted my team from skt to ktflash. Cheering for a losing team is just too hard and being a fan of ktflash is just... one happy fan LOL
On April 20 2010 03:28 iloahz wrote: all right that's it. I converted my team from skt to ktflash. Cheering for a losing team is just too hard and being a fan of ktflash is just... one happy fan LOL
You should just go ahead and rename yourself Bandwagon.
Stats stepped up but only having one person other than flash win in multiple series won't get you past a single team in the bo7 playoffs.
On April 20 2010 03:28 iloahz wrote: all right that's it. I converted my team from skt to ktflash. Cheering for a losing team is just too hard and being a fan of ktflash is just... one happy fan LOL
You should just go ahead and rename yourself Bandwagon.
Stats stepped up but only having one person other than flash win in multiple series won't get you past a single team in the bo7 playoffs.
I agree, but if KT manages to stay #1 at the end of the season I predict KT will win.
It's not impossible that KT wins of the bo7s (4-3 with Flash winning two of course) and then Flash wins it all in the super ace.
But anything lower than #1 and they can forget their dreams of PL title.
On April 20 2010 03:28 iloahz wrote: all right that's it. I converted my team from skt to ktflash. Cheering for a losing team is just too hard and being a fan of ktflash is just... one happy fan LOL
You should just go ahead and rename yourself Bandwagon.
Stats stepped up but only having one person other than flash win in multiple series won't get you past a single team in the bo7 playoffs.
I agree, but if KT manages to stay #1 at the end of the season I predict KT will win.
It's not impossible that KT wins of the bo7s (4-3 with Flash winning two of course) and then Flash wins it all in the super ace.
But anything lower than #1 and they can forget their dreams of PL title.
this year the PL finals are bo1 bo7, so KT should be super prepared.
On April 20 2010 03:28 iloahz wrote: all right that's it. I converted my team from skt to ktflash. Cheering for a losing team is just too hard and being a fan of ktflash is just... one happy fan LOL
You should just go ahead and rename yourself Bandwagon.
Stats stepped up but only having one person other than flash win in multiple series won't get you past a single team in the bo7 playoffs.
I agree, but if KT manages to stay #1 at the end of the season I predict KT will win.
It's not impossible that KT wins of the bo7s (4-3 with Flash winning two of course) and then Flash wins it all in the super ace.
But anything lower than #1 and they can forget their dreams of PL title.
this year the PL finals are bo1 bo7, so KT should be super prepared.
Seriously? That makes me a very, very sad man, the old bo2 bo7 format with one superace at the end was so awesome.
Jesus christ why is everyone saying KT is nothing without Flash. This is the fourth best and rising team in PL and Stats took down their ace player in his best match up. Flash did the brunt of the work but hell, he beat the weakest person sent out in regular matches.
I mean KT had pretty unfavorable matches. Zero with ZvP, Free PvT ForGG, Firefist against Kwanro etc, and still came out ontop. Imagine favorable matches for KT, like Flash vs Free, ForGG vs Soulkey, Firefist vs Zero and Stats vs Kwanro.
Flash is obviously carrying more than his weight, but people are really downplaying Stats here. =(
On April 20 2010 05:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: Jesus christ why is everyone saying KT is nothing without Flash. This is the fourth best and rising team in PL and Stats took down their ace player in his best match up. Flash did the brunt of the work but hell, he beat the weakest person sent out in regular matches.
I mean KT had pretty unfavorable matches. Zero with ZvP, Free PvT ForGG, Firefist against Kwanro etc, and still came out ontop. Imagine favorable matches for KT, like Flash vs Free, ForGG vs Soulkey, Firefist vs Zero and Stats vs Kwanro.
Flash is obviously carrying more than his weight, but people are really downplaying Stats here. =(
True. Stats deserves more respect. It's just that his recent WL form and individual league form was just... ='(
HOLD YOUR CHIN HIGH STATS!!! (though it may be quite heavy) CHINTOSS FTW!!
On April 20 2010 07:46 StylishVODs wrote: Uh, so I couldn't watch the games.
I start reading LR of Flash vs Free... Free fast nexus and flash rush fail and then the game is onesided, in favour to flash? WTF is wrong with flash.
free grabbed two bases in quick succession while teching to arbiters, after failing to do anything significant with his reaver. Taking that into account, Flash's push was a pretty straightforward affair, especially when the toss decides to lose his shuttle at the most crucial moment.
I see! anyway... Where will the VODs be up first? I've checked Jon747's channel but it seems he uploads SL's recently and havent added proleague since 14th or something...
and the Small Vod Thread haven't added PL for some while now from elsewhere..
EDIT: Note the vids there sometimes start loading quite slowly halfway through for me, and if I just leave them paused to load fully they sometimes just stop loading alltogether. However, if you wait for them to load a bit and then start watching I find they start loading up again gradually.
Dunno if you'll get the same issues but a heads up anyway
On April 19 2010 21:09 konadora wrote: [quote] it's just his mentality and maturity. he's learnt a lot after his first OSL win, hence that breakdown into tears after his second OSL win.
Flash doesn't win game after game against great players simply because he's more mature or has a better mentality. He understands the game better than them, so he's able to consistently make the best choices possible.
I'm saying the change in how he looks at the game and how he thinks as he plays it has helped him what he is today. He specifically mentions it several times in post-game interviews. He also drives fear into his opponents, and he capitalizes on that.
Why are we even talking about the OSL? I agree that it was important to him! I was originally saying that Flash is more than capable of improving his teammates but chooses not to. Mainly because it would be a waste of time he could spend on his own games. This is why KT is bad while Flash is awesome.
It usually takes two players to play a game of starcraft.
Wow! You just convinced me I was wrong. What a compelling and faultless argument!
It's not like you had a good argument to begin with
Anyway, it was nice to see Stats get a good win after that small losing streak he had going and despite how fun it is to see Flash win, the ace match was a bit disappointing.
Nice, got any more one-liners to throw my way?
I'm confused is a "one-liner" supposed to be a sentence that is one line of text?
If you are trying to insinuate that what I said was a joke you would have to be pretty arrogant to believe that what you wrote prior was sound or had any good reasoning at all.
A one-liner is a one line post that takes a minimum of effort. It's fine in most contexts, but if you're saying I'm wrong you'll have to do better. It's lazy and reflects poorly on you.
About every post you write reflects poorly on you.
What struck me about the lineups this game was that KT got totally out-coached. Woongjin managed to correctly get Forgg on his worst matchup, got ZerO his best matchup, and also correctly sacrificed Soulkey to Flash. Doesn't bode well for KT in the finals.
What struck me about the lineups this game was that KT got totally out-coached. Woongjin managed to correctly get Forgg on his worst matchup, got ZerO his best matchup, and also correctly sacrificed Soulkey to Flash. Doesn't bode well for KT in the finals.
you are wrong. KT Coach predicted a zerg in judgement day (hence zero) , and asked stats to practice exclusively for PVZ
Flash also claimed he trained exclusively for a zerg for the third round, and had to "fabricate" the TVP ace match.
they never got their guesses any better then 50%. so to me i think the coaches made the right choices each time.
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