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[OSL] EVER OSL Semi-Final A: Flash vs Calm - Page 48

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Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#941
On January 01 2010 19:29 dekuschrub wrote:
yeah calm had a really sick build there

but unfortunately he used his best shit on flash's worst map.. flash is gonna go 3-1 now fo sho

What? His build was 100% normal 2hatch muta with a quick third before mutas...
God Hates a Coward
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 10:32:14
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#942
On January 01 2010 19:29 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote:
Flash apologists = scum

Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.


To be honest Flash apologist are atleast rational as compared to Bisu and Jaedong apologist who dont even use coherent logic in their johns for their respective favorite player.

That's pretty close to being a blatant lie. The new bandwagon Flash fans are just as illogical as the other "superstar's" fans.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#943
If Calm somehow wins this next game Flash will be in trouble ...
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#944
hot girls

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When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#945
I don't think Calm played too differently in the two games, and it's not the map. It all depends on the beginning of the muta attack. In game two Calm destroyed Flash's flank at the natural, so his muta micro looked godlike after that.
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#946
Whooaa Company of Heroes NURSES

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Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#947
On January 01 2010 19:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
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On January 01 2010 19:30 Gustav_Wind wrote:
Just one thing to keep in mind with the HBR debate -

most of the stats collected there were not 1 rax expand games. So they do not necessarily say a whole lot about the difficulty in defending muta harass with bio there.

Remember when mech/fake mech was really popular?

Damn blizzard for invalidating mech/fake mech.
Also, do you have exact evidence? This is just fuzzy logic and won't get anywhere.


Wait, what?

What was fuzzy logic?
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#948
On January 01 2010 19:28 Rostam wrote:
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On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote:
Flash apologists = scum

Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.


Really? Making a mistake is different from getting outplayed now?

Yes, they're obviously very different things. If Flash makes a mistake, it should be forgiven because he's obviously so good, and everyone makes mistakes. His opponents never get any credit for playing well though.
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4736 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#949
On January 01 2010 19:29 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote:
Flash apologists = scum

Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.


To be honest Flash apologist are atleast rational as compared to Bisu and Jaedong apologist who dont even use coherent logic in their johns for their respective favorite player.


Do you really believe that? Fanboys are all the same to me.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#950
On January 01 2010 19:28 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote:
Flash apologists = scum

Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.


Really? Making a mistake is different from getting outplayed now?


Yep, when somebody makes a mistake it's clearly the map's fault for being imba not the players themselves.

As for the game I think flash's turret placement was simply because he didn't expect calm to be so ballsy and run in with his mutas as well as expecting to be able to get the marine pack out to harass keeping mutas home a bit longer.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#951
On January 01 2010 19:26 Atrioc wrote:
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On January 01 2010 19:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 01 2010 19:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On January 01 2010 19:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
gg I hate HBR.

Dude, listen to Day 9's podcast. Nothing wrong with muta harass on HBR.


I have watched every single Day9 podcast, and as much as I love him, I will take Flash's word and the Z domination on the map as evidence. >:[


Both versions of HBR have above 50% win for Terran in TvZ


Yes everyone has said this.

now go ahead and menton how day9 said the map is balanced because day9 says every map is balanced. :>

It's okay, it was a fair loss. Hell Calm won the initial mind game by 12hatching just like Jaedong. Flash just didn't build 4 extra turrets because he probably didn't expect Calm to be as aggressive as he was, given the first game and his general playstyle.

There was nothing wrong with the win. Flash's building placement (Rax position) also made defending that corner in his main incredibly hard. Despite these things, it was also nearly impossible for Flash to defend his Natural (With the minerals touching high ground thing) and his main while having reasonable rax position without building an excessive amount of turrets. Factor that against 12 hatch and no matter what Flash ends up in a weird economic deficiency.

I get the game. I seriously do. You don't have to throw silly statistics that I am way more up to date on than most people here (seriously I am very serious about checking every factor of a Flash match ): ). Flash probably had a reason for why he thought Zerg was generally strong on this map -- maybe because it's a difficult map to play on in practice as terran despite televised games turning out fairly even.

ALL OF THAT SAID good job to Calm for making it an interesting series. I was really psyched that Flash may break 2400 elo or 70% winrate and that's not happening now, but for the general non flash fanatic public it's fine

*EXHALE*

Turtles still eat Clams.
Remember Violet.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#952
On January 01 2010 19:26 Highways wrote:
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On January 01 2010 19:23 StRyKeR wrote:
On January 01 2010 19:22 FireGuyX wrote:
I hate HBR it favors zerg so much.


Is that why old HBR is 25-23 TvZ and the new one 5-4 TvZ?


Cause people are used to maps that are T>>Z.

So when a map is even its a zerg map.


QFE. Just because T is supposed to be >>>> over Z, doesn't mean a map with equal stats is bad. If anything, it means that map makes the match-up fair.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#953
Come one calm, pull out one of your snart, surprisoing builds. 3 hatch lurkers into queens anyone :D? If you control your mutas like last game then you probably won't need to use those builds.
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
January 01 2010 10:32 GMT
#954
On January 01 2010 19:31 datscilly wrote:
I don't think Calm played too differently in the two games, and it's not the map. It all depends on the beginning of the muta attack. In game two Calm destroyed Flash's flank at the natural, so his muta micro looked godlike after that.


Calm's build was very different. First game, he went 12pool gas. Second game, he went 12hatch. Wayyyyyyy different econ outcomes...
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 01 2010 10:33 GMT
#955
Calm with 473 average APM thats pretty high . He microed and macroed perfectly the hole game .
HiHiByeBye
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada365 Posts
January 01 2010 10:33 GMT
#956
man y when i do 2 hatch muta terran already has 6-7 turrets waiting
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 01 2010 10:33 GMT
#957
i love that cliff.
Brood War loyalist
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 01 2010 10:33 GMT
#958
Marine control was definitely poor. Lost his 1st group way too carelessly.

Losing the 2 medic afterwards definitely didn't help either.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
January 01 2010 10:33 GMT
#959
In anyone else's stream really fucking up?
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 01 2010 10:34 GMT
#960
was the first game good? I just joined the stream
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