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[OSL] EVER OSL Semi-Final A: Flash vs Calm - Page 47

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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 01 2010 10:28 GMT
#921
On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote:
Flash apologists = scum

Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.


Really? Making a mistake is different from getting outplayed now?
BW forever || Thall
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 10:29:28
January 01 2010 10:28 GMT
#922
On January 01 2010 19:23 domane wrote:
What about Flash's turret timing and placement? I'd say that he was less prepared this time.


I would say that even Flash cannot get away with placing turrents everywhere asap, they still cost money and those SCVs aren't mining.

And the double turret snipe at the expo whit muta ling, while Flashs M&M were expecting the mutas in the main was basically his main problem, If he could have hold that spot without massive loses, he would have had more marines to close the hole in his defence with them.

In the end, when Flash suicided small groups of marines into those mutas, the game was already over.

Hoping for a longer game now
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#923
Flash's barrack placement was really poor, or... calm was able to take advantage of the barrack placement.

Maybe both.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7816 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#924
Wish we could see a longish game even though that won't happen. I still think Flash has this 3-1
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#925
Fun fact, Flash has only lost 1 game total on the next 3 maps in the linup. Many of the wins are against Zerg.

Calm gonna have his work cut out for him.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#926
It is very probable that this was actually what Jaedong was aiming to do to Flash in their last game. Proxy hatch muta seems like a very Jaedong-esque strategy to me.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#927
On January 01 2010 19:28 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 19:24 Demand2k wrote:
too bad terran can't recover from anything


Terrans are the ultimate turtle power. What are you talking about


Yeah, but turtling to recover usually doesn't work.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#928
My god, Flash apologists are annoying even me and it's clear who I like. =/
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 10:30:03
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#929
Shine > Stork on El Nino
Map stats: 8-2 ZvP
Fanboy: "Shine is gay, just won on an imba map!"

Calm > Flash on HBR
Map stats: Almost even in both versions TvZ
Fanboy: "Stats don't mean anything! It's a zerg map!

See the problem here?
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#930
On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote:
Flash apologists = scum

Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.


To be honest Flash apologist are atleast rational as compared to Bisu and Jaedong apologist who dont even use coherent logic in their johns for their respective favorite player.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 10:30:06
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#931
I blame more on Flash carelessly losing his first marine group (very crucial to defending 2 hatch mutas) rather than the map.

edit: actually, i blame a lot more on calm playing well
Brood War loyalist
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
January 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#932
yeah calm had a really sick build there

but unfortunately he used his best shit on flash's worst map.. flash is gonna go 3-1 now fo sho
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
January 01 2010 10:30 GMT
#933
Just one thing to keep in mind with the HBR debate -

most of the stats collected there were not 1 rax expand games. So they do not necessarily say a whole lot about the difficulty in defending muta harass with bio there.

Remember when mech/fake mech was really popular?
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
January 01 2010 10:30 GMT
#934
On January 01 2010 19:28 writer22816 wrote:
wtf company of heroes
Actually a pretty good game. At least the original.
ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
January 01 2010 10:30 GMT
#935
On January 01 2010 19:25 StRyKeR wrote:
When Flash takes a risk and it pays off, it's brilliance. When he takes a risk and it doesn't pan out, it's map imba.

We need more Zerg fans in this room!

The difference between genius and insanity is only measured by success. GOGOGO zergs.
esq>n
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#936
You can't ignore the map but you ought not to blame it.

Just drop it already.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Un Gato
Profile Joined July 2009
United States123 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#937
I have to wonder: how is it that someone can actually have bad turret placement at the pro level? Shouldn't they have the ideal locations mapped out well ahead of time? That seems so ridiculously easy to plan ahead for.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#938
On January 01 2010 19:22 dl2agon wrote:
Man, I hope every game this series isn't decided by muta micro play...

I agree, a little variety would be nice.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#939
On January 01 2010 19:30 Gustav_Wind wrote:
Just one thing to keep in mind with the HBR debate -

most of the stats collected there were not 1 rax expand games. So they do not necessarily say a whole lot about the difficulty in defending muta harass with bio there.

Remember when mech/fake mech was really popular?

Damn blizzard for invalidating mech/fake mech.
Also, do you have exact evidence? This is just fuzzy logic and won't get anywhere.

On January 01 2010 19:29 dekuschrub wrote:
yeah calm had a really sick build there

but unfortunately he used his best shit on flash's worst map.. flash is gonna go 3-1 now fo sho

2 hatch muta. Sick.
Jaedong
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
January 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#940
I'm guessing another 7 more minutes till the game starts.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
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