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On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote: Flash apologists = scum
Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.
Really? Making a mistake is different from getting outplayed now?
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On January 01 2010 19:23 domane wrote: What about Flash's turret timing and placement? I'd say that he was less prepared this time.
I would say that even Flash cannot get away with placing turrents everywhere asap, they still cost money and those SCVs aren't mining.
And the double turret snipe at the expo whit muta ling, while Flashs M&M were expecting the mutas in the main was basically his main problem, If he could have hold that spot without massive loses, he would have had more marines to close the hole in his defence with them.
In the end, when Flash suicided small groups of marines into those mutas, the game was already over.
Hoping for a longer game now
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Flash's barrack placement was really poor, or... calm was able to take advantage of the barrack placement.
Maybe both.
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Wish we could see a longish game even though that won't happen. I still think Flash has this 3-1
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Fun fact, Flash has only lost 1 game total on the next 3 maps in the linup. Many of the wins are against Zerg.
Calm gonna have his work cut out for him.
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It is very probable that this was actually what Jaedong was aiming to do to Flash in their last game. Proxy hatch muta seems like a very Jaedong-esque strategy to me.
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On January 01 2010 19:28 Jakalo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2010 19:24 Demand2k wrote: too bad terran can't recover from anything Terrans are the ultimate turtle power. What are you talking about
Yeah, but turtling to recover usually doesn't work.
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My god, Flash apologists are annoying even me and it's clear who I like. =/
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Shine > Stork on El Nino Map stats: 8-2 ZvP Fanboy: "Shine is gay, just won on an imba map!"
Calm > Flash on HBR Map stats: Almost even in both versions TvZ Fanboy: "Stats don't mean anything! It's a zerg map!
See the problem here?
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On January 01 2010 19:28 muramasa wrote: Flash apologists = scum
Whenever he loses it's because of map imba, because he made a mistake, cheese, or pretty much any excuse but that he got outplayed.
To be honest Flash apologist are atleast rational as compared to Bisu and Jaedong apologist who dont even use coherent logic in their johns for their respective favorite player.
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I blame more on Flash carelessly losing his first marine group (very crucial to defending 2 hatch mutas) rather than the map. edit: actually, i blame a lot more on calm playing well
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yeah calm had a really sick build there
but unfortunately he used his best shit on flash's worst map.. flash is gonna go 3-1 now fo sho
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Just one thing to keep in mind with the HBR debate -
most of the stats collected there were not 1 rax expand games. So they do not necessarily say a whole lot about the difficulty in defending muta harass with bio there.
Remember when mech/fake mech was really popular?
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On January 01 2010 19:28 writer22816 wrote: wtf company of heroes Actually a pretty good game. At least the original.
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On January 01 2010 19:25 StRyKeR wrote: When Flash takes a risk and it pays off, it's brilliance. When he takes a risk and it doesn't pan out, it's map imba.
We need more Zerg fans in this room! The difference between genius and insanity is only measured by success. GOGOGO zergs.
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You can't ignore the map but you ought not to blame it.
Just drop it already.
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I have to wonder: how is it that someone can actually have bad turret placement at the pro level? Shouldn't they have the ideal locations mapped out well ahead of time? That seems so ridiculously easy to plan ahead for.
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On January 01 2010 19:22 dl2agon wrote: Man, I hope every game this series isn't decided by muta micro play... I agree, a little variety would be nice.
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On January 01 2010 19:30 Gustav_Wind wrote: Just one thing to keep in mind with the HBR debate -
most of the stats collected there were not 1 rax expand games. So they do not necessarily say a whole lot about the difficulty in defending muta harass with bio there.
Remember when mech/fake mech was really popular? Damn blizzard for invalidating mech/fake mech. Also, do you have exact evidence? This is just fuzzy logic and won't get anywhere.
On January 01 2010 19:29 dekuschrub wrote: yeah calm had a really sick build there
but unfortunately he used his best shit on flash's worst map.. flash is gonna go 3-1 now fo sho 2 hatch muta. Sick.
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I'm guessing another 7 more minutes till the game starts.
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