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imcl85
Profile Joined January 2005
Canada115 Posts
January 05 2005 00:57 GMT
#61
the most danger part about 9pool is coming from skillful terran and after ur attack fail and his scv scout u expo he simply grap all his scv and then its a gg no re game lol and trust me thats what would happen againest skillful player who know when to attack and recently thats what happen to me. You just simply wouldn't have enought larva to generate enought ling to deffend it ofcourse that only apply when you fail 9 pool but againest skillful t who can micro scv and rine 9 pool just wouldn't work lol.
NitrousOxide
Profile Joined June 2004
United States73 Posts
January 05 2005 02:23 GMT
#62
If I 9 pool and go to ling harass the t I usually put my second hatch at the ramp so I can defend a scv/rine counter easily with a sunk and some lings.
Peanuts.
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States378 Posts
January 05 2005 04:34 GMT
#63
i use 9pool because it gives me a chance to bring a drone to a different base and expo..
Usually my opponents expect me to expo to the base near my main so by gonig to a different base to expo..they will be suprised..
(im using LT as my example)
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DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
January 05 2005 04:39 GMT
#64
it all depends on the map and position, if its a map like nostalgia and you make 9 drone scout im sure you can handle 12 hatch exp against any rush --
evanthebouncy
Profile Joined November 2004
China491 Posts
January 05 2005 07:50 GMT
#65
Wait, one question...

5 pool<9 pool<12 pool<5 pool?
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NitrousOxide
Profile Joined June 2004
United States73 Posts
January 06 2005 00:17 GMT
#66
a lot of inexperienced Z players do 9 pool and suck at it because they expect the first 6 lings to own. To really doa 9 pool well you need to keep making ling, to 10-12 so that you can have a big impact, and if you lose a couple you arent impotent.
KillerPenguin
Profile Joined June 2004
United States516 Posts
January 06 2005 02:44 GMT
#67
Granted people better than me use it but I find 9 pool ineffective unless I go random. If I go random and get z 9 pool is at least twice as effective as before(especially if you don't go scout the base next to u with ol and put pool in the back). Also, if you know your playing people worse than you its always better to do less risky strats and to try to prolong the game.
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GuruOftheHasuType
Profile Joined January 2005
United Kingdom34 Posts
January 07 2005 01:37 GMT
#68
I like to ovie before the 9pool, slightly later but the stronger eco allows you to take an expo....
what?
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
January 07 2005 02:23 GMT
#69
If protos have to get gas fast vs 9pool, it is valid to take it? It would be hard to kill it when lings are in his base.
Szejhulud
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland73 Posts
January 07 2005 04:09 GMT
#70
Hell i'm an inexperienced Z player, but i've found recently that 9 pool kicks donkey on LT. I play people @ my level (weak but if they do something stupid it's usually auto death for them.

(well - if i do something stupid it's the same for me

So - some leave game when my ling 'army' arrives (especially 12/3) calling me a newbie and a rusher

Others fight my first 8-10 lings with early marines/scv and i kill few of each while setting up my exp. So it's pretty much cost effective and often they just turtle up letting me take the map.

Against P it's harder but those lings running around buy me some time needed to set up expo with sunks. I'll usually pick a couple of probes too. Also If they try some strange tech build like gas gate it's gg.

And it's also useful against Z cause i get an early gas and put some pressure on them.

Other than that sometimes i just get pwnd shortly after due to some stupid mistake i make but that's all right it's me not the strat

Ah, and i almost forgot - 9 pool's great against cheese - but that's already been said: cannon/sunk rushes, bbs and stuff.

Build i use is: 9 pool, 8/9 drone, 9/9 ext trick, 10/9 over (finishes with pool), 6 lings or 4 lings +drone, exp and either keep pumping lings or drones while attacking.

btw, hi that's my first post here. been lurking for too long
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HardCoreKiLLA
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada1 Post
October 04 2006 11:39 GMT
#71
Hi I no this is an old post but if someone could help me out that would be nice. Is Testie's 9 pool guide anywhere else becasue all the links dont work for me so if you can help thats great.
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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
October 04 2006 11:45 GMT
#72
im not a Z player but if you can get 9pool before you are scouted it works >_>
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
October 04 2006 11:55 GMT
#73
I honestly don't understand 9 pool. I see a lot of good Zergs do it, especially ZvP on RH3. It doesn't arrive before Zeals block the ramp and it doesn't arrive before Cannons warp in for FE. It's not more safe than a 12 pool. I don't get it.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 04 2006 12:04 GMT
#74
in zvt lots of times you can slow terran down just as much if not more
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
October 04 2006 12:08 GMT
#75
they do 9 pool on rush hour because protoss fast expand is so common there, and they want to catch the protoss with his pant down building a nexus before cannons.

For defensive purposes, 9 pool after an overlrod or 11/12 pool is much better than 9 pool because it allows you to expand earlier. 9 pool after an overlord can break a terran's ramp if it goes unscouted, while at the same time allowing a faster second hatch than a regular 9 pool. Your zerglings also hatch right on time to stop and 8 rax bunker rush, so it's the best build against a bunker rush because with a 9 pool they'll just defend and not waste money building and canceling bunker and sending scvs, and if you 12 pool you'll still need to bring drones to defend an 8 rax.

Against protoss, if you're 9 pooling you're aiming to get inside his base and harass his probes with speedlings. You have to keep them alive as long as possible while building and macroing, so don't try this if you have bad multitasking. This is only good when the positions are close (12/3 LT and you want to gamble) or when there's no ramp, and/or the choke is fairly wide (longinus, pioneer period). If you simply don't want to be cheesed, then 9 pool after an overlord or 12 pool is better.

Against zerg these days people go 9 pool 9 gas for a really fast spire and not really to kill, although if you find that your opponent has 12 hatched at expo then that's a nice bonus for your build.
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
October 04 2006 12:09 GMT
#76
its pressure, toss must cannon first(when fast exp) otherwise is auto gg. you cointain probes from scouting, you're safe from any kind of rush...
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Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
October 04 2006 12:15 GMT
#77
Here's an awesome example of 9 pool speed against a protoss player on a map with no ramp (cultivation period). The zerg player is me. Sorry if I'm flooding this forum with my own replays. You obviously don't have to watch it if you don't want to, but I assure you that it is good:

http://download.yousendit.com/62A5CB2D5CD1C661
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
October 04 2006 12:24 GMT
#78
Against T i prefer 9lord 9 pool
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ChoboCop
Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
October 04 2006 12:30 GMT
#79
Wow I'm sorry I just deleted this file from my computer about a week ago. Crazy.
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered.
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
October 04 2006 23:27 GMT
#80
On October 04 2006 20:45 vinsc wrote:
im not a Z player but if you can get 9pool before you are scouted it works >_>


works? what the hell does that mean?
what matchup? what does it achieve? what happens if they scout you?

why did you post this?
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