On July 10 2009 09:30 Sentenal wrote:
I think normally you only stasis SCVs as a "Fuck you, Terran, I can do what I want and still win". I'd much rather recall a bunch of probes into the terran's main, though, much funnier.

Funny would be to recall them into base and then immediately out of base.

Piste

6179 Posts

July 10 2009 00:46 GMT

#42

On July 10 2009 00:28 iCCup.CoLd wrote:
1) 200
2) No
3) Yes
4) No

this is the best answer so far.

ultramagnetics

Poland215 Posts

July 10 2009 01:05 GMT

#43

^
I agree... Stasising SCVs is an absolutely horrible strategy.

Only time I can see it working is in some sort of wierd late game situation where toss/terran mutually destroyed each other's economy and armies:

Terran decides to bunker up, has few scvs, and only 1 active base. Protoss is in similar situation, has a few arbiters, and knows that terran isn't strong enough to push out nor is toss strong enough to break terran.

TheFoReveRwaR

United States10657 Posts

July 10 2009 01:36 GMT

#44

1596 -- Get 7 players to max scvs and stack them all on one mineral patch at the same time along with your own 196 scvs.
To get 196 scvs, tech to mind control, then arbs. Make 1 arb. Then kill your da after starting many command centers. Max the rest of your supply out with scvs.
No
No
Probably somewhere...

TheFoReveRwaR

United States10657 Posts

July 10 2009 01:39 GMT

#45

On July 10 2009 09:46 Piste wrote:

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this is the best answer so far.

Its wrong though

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

July 10 2009 01:54 GMT

#46

On July 10 2009 09:36 lac29 wrote:

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Funny would be to recall them into base and then immediately out of base.

After you start building cannons everywhere.

jtype

England2167 Posts

July 10 2009 02:23 GMT

#47

It might be useful if you get very fast arbiters and your opponent has no more than two bases. That 40 (I think) seconds of non-mining time would really hurt.

However, if you have such easy access to his base, why not drop/recall a reaver/ht/dt instead? You might be able to take out a building or an add-on as well as some SCVs.

R04R

United States1631 Posts

July 10 2009 02:32 GMT

#48

Another example of statising SCVs is Much vs. FBH

...And stasising his own goons, and a heart of pylons filled with cannons.

They're all good for harrass.

JMave

Singapore1803 Posts

July 10 2009 04:19 GMT

#49

IIRC, there actually is a game where Much does stasis FBH's SCVs in one of the games.

I think its the game where he did the pylon heart.

EEEE1234

Canada55 Posts

July 10 2009 04:52 GMT

#50

The only time I remember SCV-stasis was all ceremonies. Much did it in that legendary game vs FBH but I can't remember any time a player did it seriously. Better to destroy the SCVs.

I can think of one serious purpose: blocking a ramp. If the SCVs try to run away from the nat and they're all stacked up and running up a ramp, you can consider throwing a stasis on them to seal in the T and then go to town on his other expos.

SlayerS_`HackeR`

United States190 Posts

July 10 2009 05:12 GMT

#51

Most people say its better to stasis something else, but seeing as they're currently ignorant of the fact that you're probably only gonna get like 1 vessel and 1 tank in a good stasis, freezing the SCVs might actually BE the better choice. And unlike recall, which limits the number of units recalled to the space around the arbiter taken up, stasis is unlimited and can freeze ALL units within range.

SlayerS_`HackeR`

United States190 Posts

July 10 2009 05:16 GMT

#52

On July 10 2009 10:05 ultramagnetics wrote:
^
I agree... Stasising SCVs is an absolutely horrible strategy.

Only time I can see it working is in some sort of wierd late game situation where toss/terran mutually destroyed each other's economy and armies:

Terran decides to bunker up, has few scvs, and only 1 active base. Protoss is in similar situation, has a few arbiters, and knows that terran isn't strong enough to push out nor is toss strong enough to break terran.

WTF are you saying? Freezing SCVs is an "absolutely horrible strategy."
Stasis lasts for a helluva long time, and it can jack potentially hundreds of minerals.
When you're looking for advice, watch out for people who don't know what they're talking about.
Freezing a bunch of SCV's for a long time is DEFINITELY better than getting 2 vessels or 2 tanks. Although recall is better than stasis if you have the units and the proper location to recall at.

Freezing tanks/vessels < Freezing SCVs < Recall

norsK

United States131 Posts

July 10 2009 05:16 GMT

#53

I just field tested this notion but used it 4 times simultaneously, at each expansion the Terran had.

I then lost the game to a massive push that was not stasis'ed once.

Game

3191 Posts

July 10 2009 05:18 GMT

#54

On July 10 2009 01:00 SilverskY wrote:
I think this is more of a ceremonial thing when you know you're gonna win than something that brings a practical advantage.

+1

and to poster: could you really not think of anything better to post, really?

MuffinDude

United States3837 Posts

July 10 2009 06:12 GMT

#55

On July 10 2009 00:03 lac29 wrote:
4) Are there any VODs that show stasis-ing of SCVs?

Much v fbh in the pylong heart game yes, but much was way ahead by then and it didn't matter.

Vex

Ireland454 Posts

July 10 2009 08:34 GMT

#56

On July 10 2009 00:03 lac29 wrote:
I'm not that knowledgeable about strategy in general but I had just a few questions:

1) All that are in range.
2) No
3) Yes
4) Dunno.

ArvickHero

10387 Posts

July 10 2009 08:45 GMT

#57

I'd say the only viable scenarios are certain late-game situations and when there are a LOT of scvs being maynarded somewhere

Probe.

United States877 Posts

July 10 2009 09:42 GMT

#58

On July 10 2009 14:16 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:

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I have a better idea. PvZ. Protoss should rush dark archons and maelstrom drones!!!! I'm a fucking genius!!!

maelstrom ultralisk / devourers < maelstrom drones < mass observers / storm your own probes for supplies for more obs.

Clasic

Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts

July 10 2009 11:00 GMT

#59

On July 10 2009 00:28 iCCup.CoLd wrote:
1) 200
2) No
3) Yes
4) No

Thanks for the great explanations!

ultramagnetics

Poland215 Posts

July 10 2009 23:39 GMT

#60

On July 10 2009 14:16 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:

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You are an idiot?
Why is stasis researched before recall in almost any pro match-up?

Read every other post in this thread and maybe you'll notice that most people think that:
Stasis mech > stasis scv...

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