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lac29
United States1485 Posts
1) What's the max # of SCVs that can be stasis-ed? 2) Can a stasis on SCVs cause a sig enough econ loss on the Terran to be worth it? (esp if Terran is off say 2 bases maybe?) 3) Do stasis-ed SCVs automatically restart mining after coming out of stasis? 4) Are there any VODs that show stasis-ing of SCVs? | ||
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Xiberia
Sweden634 Posts
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Boykjie
South Africa12 Posts
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Stimpacked
Philippines368 Posts
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genryou
Malaysia390 Posts
2) Can a stasis on SCVs cause a sig enough econ loss on the Terran to be worth it? (esp if Terran is off say 2 bases maybe?) Stasis is better off being used at Tanks or Goliaths. I,m a Terran myself and if my opponent Toss used a Stasis on my SCV I will just like "Oh, thanks for not stasis-ing my Goliaths, I can shot down your Arbiter as much as I want" IMO, destroying my SCV will cause me alot more damage then stasis-ing it. For example, you destroyed like 20 of my SCV, there I already lose 1000 minerals of aset + 1000 minerals to create another 20 SCV. | ||
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ArnO-
United States258 Posts
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omninmo
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iPlod
United States46 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
And can anyone answer ... do the stasis-ed SCVs automatically restart mining? | ||
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Coldlogic
United States116 Posts
2) No 3) Yes 4) No | ||
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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ArnO-
United States258 Posts
On July 10 2009 00:28 lac29 wrote: If you make fast arbiters asap the econ damage from stasis-ed SCVs would be more sig than later games right? Maybe it would worth it then? You would be better off just storm dropping since you have the tech for it and saving up the arbiters energy. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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gjg.instinct
144 Posts
You would be better off just storm dropping since you have the tech for it and saving up the arbiters energy. this. OP iss not such a horrible idea so much as there are so many better ideas...(IE storm, reavers, archons, dt's, etc.) | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
you could recall 1 high templar and storm the same amount for better effect? | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6636 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
2. really doubt it 3. yes, they do | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On July 10 2009 00:28 iCCup.CoLd wrote: 1) 200 2) No 3) No 4) No Is this just in a theoretical sense, being you can only have 200 SCVs or is it actually built into SC where stasis has a maximum of affected units? | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Most of the time you'd be better off stasising something else, but there definitely are a few scenarios that make this a viable choice. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On July 10 2009 01:41 Carnac wrote: Uhm, stasising Workers can certainly be worth it in various late game scenarios. Like when neither you nor your opponent have many units left, you both have only one mining base left and you happen to have a few Arbiters. Most of the time you'd be better off stasising something else, but there definitely are a few scenarios that make this a viable choice. Yeah, sometimes you get to late game with like 2 zealots and 10 dragoons but you have like 7 or so arbiters. The terran should have low eco too here (otherwise you are probably dead anyway), so using a few stasis on workers can definitely be worth it. I've had a few games where I just grind down the terran off the sheer number of arbiters I have left in late game. | ||
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pangshai
Chinatown5333 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
I didnt see what carnac wrote but he is correct as well, if it is one of those games where you are trying to muster every last one of your probes and the T is doingt he same thing just so you can squeeze out 1 or 2 more units then yes, it is a good and viable option. Of course if you happen to have a HT then go for that. | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On July 10 2009 03:35 No_eL wrote: just in a low eco-late game.. in a very strange situation... i remember a game of nal_ra making stasis in a group of workers (wcg maybe?) in a PVP its more common because the equilibrium its more fragil, but in PVT i think that only in 1 of 100 games could be worth it. Someone have a vod of this?? its really BM XD instead Nony's Arbiterssss fpvod has an example of this XD | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On July 10 2009 02:39 niteReloaded wrote: Bisu did this in a recent game vs I think Hwasin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-kpy2tPXS0&eurl=http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/12401_Bisu_vs_Hwasin/vod&feature=player_embedded 35:20 | ||
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Coldlogic
United States116 Posts
On July 10 2009 01:32 Archaic wrote: Is this just in a theoretical sense, being you can only have 200 SCVs or is it actually built into SC where stasis has a maximum of affected units? there is no cap on stasis, so 200 (the maximum supply, if you had 200 scvs...) is the maximum number of scvs you could possible stasis | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On July 10 2009 05:28 iCCup.CoLd wrote: there is no cap on stasis, so 200 (the maximum supply, if you had 200 scvs...) is the maximum number of scvs you could possible stasis There can be more than 200 SCVs in a game for various reasons (UMS Team Melee Mind Control, two players sharing the same patches, etc etc etc). | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On July 10 2009 05:35 Chef wrote: There can be more than 200 SCVs in a game for various reasons (UMS Team Melee Mind Control, two players sharing the same patches, etc etc etc). There is actually a hidden cap, stasis is a sprite so there is the limit there. just like in FMP maps when you cast spells and waste mana but nothing happens. If the cap is nearing and you stasis a pile of 30 workers with only 20 sprites left, obviously only 20 will go. But basically it is infinite in a single player normal game. 2) Yes, but it is situational. To figure this out you need to test how much minerals 10, 20, 30 SCV mine in a minute (which is the length of stasis time) and then compare that with the cost of the battle units you could have stasised instead. Besides that, like others have suggested this is not something to 'go for' strategy wise. There are better things to get: such as storm, reaver, recall, etc. Now with all these other options expended and should the situation arise where you are able to stasis a huge pile of SCV or save the mana for something else, then yes this could be worth while. 3) Pretty sure they do, although ones that are building stop ( I think ). 4) I know I've seen some, there might even be a pimp play one from a few years ago. Fun Fact- cloaked ghost/wraith/kerrigan regen mana without losing cloak while stasis'd. So if the wraiths are below 25 mana and you need more cloak time, but not right now, stasis those fuckers. PS- at around 35~ in that recent Bisu game you can see that the other normal SCVs trying to mine the ones that the stasised ones were aren't mining. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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Methos
United States206 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On July 10 2009 09:30 Sentenal wrote: I think normally you only stasis SCVs as a "Fuck you, Terran, I can do what I want and still win". I'd much rather recall a bunch of probes into the terran's main, though, much funnier. Funny would be to recall them into base and then immediately out of base. | ||
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Piste
6179 Posts
On July 10 2009 00:28 iCCup.CoLd wrote: 1) 200 2) No 3) Yes 4) No this is the best answer so far. | ||
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ultramagnetics
Poland215 Posts
I agree... Stasising SCVs is an absolutely horrible strategy. Only time I can see it working is in some sort of wierd late game situation where toss/terran mutually destroyed each other's economy and armies: Terran decides to bunker up, has few scvs, and only 1 active base. Protoss is in similar situation, has a few arbiters, and knows that terran isn't strong enough to push out nor is toss strong enough to break terran. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
To get 196 scvs, tech to mind control, then arbs. Make 1 arb. Then kill your da after starting many command centers. Max the rest of your supply out with scvs. No No Probably somewhere... | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
Its wrong though  | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On July 10 2009 09:36 lac29 wrote: Funny would be to recall them into base and then immediately out of base. After you start building cannons everywhere. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
However, if you have such easy access to his base, why not drop/recall a reaver/ht/dt instead? You might be able to take out a building or an add-on as well as some SCVs. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
...And stasising his own goons, and a heart of pylons filled with cannons. They're all good for harrass. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1803 Posts
I think its the game where he did the pylon heart. | ||
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EEEE1234
Canada55 Posts
I can think of one serious purpose: blocking a ramp. If the SCVs try to run away from the nat and they're all stacked up and running up a ramp, you can consider throwing a stasis on them to seal in the T and then go to town on his other expos. | ||
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SlayerS_`HackeR`
United States190 Posts
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SlayerS_`HackeR`
United States190 Posts
On July 10 2009 10:05 ultramagnetics wrote: ^ I agree... Stasising SCVs is an absolutely horrible strategy. Only time I can see it working is in some sort of wierd late game situation where toss/terran mutually destroyed each other's economy and armies: Terran decides to bunker up, has few scvs, and only 1 active base. Protoss is in similar situation, has a few arbiters, and knows that terran isn't strong enough to push out nor is toss strong enough to break terran. WTF are you saying? Freezing SCVs is an "absolutely horrible strategy." Stasis lasts for a helluva long time, and it can jack potentially hundreds of minerals. When you're looking for advice, watch out for people who don't know what they're talking about. Freezing a bunch of SCV's for a long time is DEFINITELY better than getting 2 vessels or 2 tanks. Although recall is better than stasis if you have the units and the proper location to recall at. Freezing tanks/vessels < Freezing SCVs < Recall | ||
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norsK
United States131 Posts
I then lost the game to a massive push that was not stasis'ed once. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On July 10 2009 01:00 SilverskY wrote: I think this is more of a ceremonial thing when you know you're gonna win than something that brings a practical advantage. +1 and to poster: could you really not think of anything better to post, really? | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On July 10 2009 00:03 lac29 wrote: 4) Are there any VODs that show stasis-ing of SCVs? Much v fbh in the pylong heart game yes, but much was way ahead by then and it didn't matter. | ||
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Vex
Ireland454 Posts
I'm not that knowledgeable about strategy in general but I had just a few questions: 1) All that are in range. 2) No 3) Yes 4) Dunno. | ||
ArvickHero
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
On July 10 2009 14:16 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote: WTF are you saying? Freezing SCVs is an "absolutely horrible strategy." Stasis lasts for a helluva long time, and it can jack potentially hundreds of minerals. When you're looking for advice, watch out for people who don't know what they're talking about. Freezing a bunch of SCV's for a long time is DEFINITELY better than getting 2 vessels or 2 tanks. Although recall is better than stasis if you have the units and the proper location to recall at. Freezing tanks/vessels < Freezing SCVs < Recall I have a better idea. PvZ. Protoss should rush dark archons and maelstrom drones!!!! I'm a fucking genius!!! maelstrom ultralisk / devourers < maelstrom drones < mass observers / storm your own probes for supplies for more obs. | ||
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On July 10 2009 00:28 iCCup.CoLd wrote: 1) 200 2) No 3) Yes 4) No Thanks for the great explanations! | ||
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ultramagnetics
Poland215 Posts
On July 10 2009 14:16 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote: WTF are you saying? Freezing SCVs is an "absolutely horrible strategy." Stasis lasts for a helluva long time, and it can jack potentially hundreds of minerals. When you're looking for advice, watch out for people who don't know what they're talking about. Freezing a bunch of SCV's for a long time is DEFINITELY better than getting 2 vessels or 2 tanks. Although recall is better than stasis if you have the units and the proper location to recall at. Freezing tanks/vessels < Freezing SCVs < Recall You are an idiot? Why is stasis researched before recall in almost any pro match-up? Read every other post in this thread and maybe you'll notice that most people think that: Stasis mech > stasis scv... | ||
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ultramagnetics
Poland215 Posts
It's simply sub-optimal to stasising terran's army in almost every situation. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On July 10 2009 14:16 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote: WTF are you saying? Freezing SCVs is an "absolutely horrible strategy." Stasis lasts for a helluva long time, and it can jack potentially hundreds of minerals. When you're looking for advice, watch out for people who don't know what they're talking about. Freezing a bunch of SCV's for a long time is DEFINITELY better than getting 2 vessels or 2 tanks. Although recall is better than stasis if you have the units and the proper location to recall at. Freezing tanks/vessels < Freezing SCVs < Recall If you don't Stasis the Terran army, you risk losing battles and your own units (and whatever expo they're defending). It's better to kill his army and win a battle, thus killing the expansion he was trying to defend, than to make him lose 300 or so minerals in the late game when he has 3 + bases mining. I can't think of any situation where it wouldn't be more practical to storm drop. Your thinking is flawed. Stasising peons really is only useful in very peculiar once in a hundred game scenarios. I don't know if you're trying to be funny, but there's no place for humour in the strategy forum :O Also, what the hell... a 4 page thread about stasising peons T.T | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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EEEE1234
Canada55 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On July 10 2009 14:18 Game wrote: +1 and to poster: could you really not think of anything better to post, really? The same could be said to you. +1 is really the best thing you could think of? You're far worse than him. | ||
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