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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:38 scwizard wrote: Well if "6 fact" is used to mean 6 factories and "8 rax" is used to mean 8 scvs before rax, then it's kind of counter intuitive. It shows how unfamiliar you are with SC terms, which shows that you are inexperienced and you have no idea what you're on about. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On April 20 2009 04:59 scwizard wrote: + Show Spoiler + Uhh, didn't you see the game last night? Jaedong threw 4 gas worth of perfectly microed mutalisks at fantasy, but fantasy's 8 rax was too much, and evertually he got vessels which sealed the deal. Sorry Rostam. Spoilered. 8 rax means barracks on 8 supply not 8 barracks pumping units. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
such as in this quote "As long as you have micro, a group of mutalisks would probably be foolish to attack a group of 30 marines attacking a temple. If they try and snipe marines, they'll probably lose a lot of mutalisks and no way will they stop the temple from dying." stop assuming these are true, have some humility and admit to the fact that your theorycrafting may be more often wrong than right. word it as a question, not as an argument, i.e. "wouldn't marines attacking a temple easily take out mutas trying to snipe them" to which the answer is "no" | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
What about 50 marines? That's around how much resources a control group of mutalisks is worth after all. Would that be sufficient? + Show Spoiler + The reason I think marines could do such a thing, is because of that recent Fantasy v Jaedong. Fantasy reached what seemed a critical mass of marines and barracks, and Jaedong's 4 gas mutalisks just couldn't beat it. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
I don't even understand what you're trying to say. | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:52 scwizard wrote: Ok. Gotcha. I'll try and do that in the future. What about 50 marines? That's around how much resources a control group of mutalisks is worth after all. Would that be sufficient? the issue isn't in the amount, it's in the positioning. while the marines are attacking the temple, forcefiring, they wont automatically attack when the mutalisks approach, so it'll take quite alot of micro to both attack the temple and fight off mutalisks as they come. also, your math is nonsense. you can't equate gas to minerals, because they come in at different rates. taking the 1200min+1200gas = 2400min = 48 marines argument is flawed, and if you ever see a terran with 48 marines while the zerg has 12 mutalisks and no other units, then the terran must have gotten severely ahead somehow. edit: in fact, dont ever try to do math with resources in non-mirror matchups anyhow, the spending curves and collecting curves are completely different. | ||
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koreasilver
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:52 scwizard wrote: Ok. Gotcha. I'll try and do that in the future. What about 50 marines? That's around how much resources a control group of mutalisks is worth after all. Would that be sufficient? Lol. 50 marines....... Do you realize zerg has the entire map by then? | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:55 scwizard wrote: That's unusual? 50 marines cost as much resources as 12 mutalisks. Why in that case is building 12 mutalisks so much faster than building 50 marines? Because you are building 50 marines out of 4 barracks and you are also building medics. The Zerg have 6 mutalisks as soon as spire starts (Assuming they went 2 hatch muta) and 9 if they went 3 hatch and every 30 seconds they get another 2-3 muta depending on how many hatcheries they have. | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
So it's completely impossible to win if your assimilators go down? It's just not possible to repel mutalisks and open up the temple before the zerg takes the whole map? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:58 koreasilver wrote: The temples aren't stacked. even breaking 1 5000 hp temple is quite the time commitment though, and you'll have to break another to get into the zerg's nat, all while fighting off (supposedly) 3gas mutas its pretty bad | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:58 koreasilver wrote: The temples aren't stacked. Oh ok well than yeah definitely not a very great map for terran  | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:59 scwizard wrote: Oh ok. So it's completely impossible to win if your assimilators go down? It's just not possible to repel mutalisks and open up the temple before the zerg takes the whole map? its extremely extremely difficult if you watch any PvT on troy, T almost never wins if their assimilators get destroyed, they have to spend way too many resources (and more importantly, time) just trying to get stuff out ZvT here is a similar situation | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:59 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: even breaking 1 5000 hp temple is quite the time commitment though, and you'll have to break another to get into the zerg's nat, all while fighting off (supposedly) 3gas mutas its pretty bad Yeah, but it doesn't seem like tanks will really help at all on this map against Zerg. It would probably be best to go full out SK with heavy upgrades. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 20 2009 06:01 koreasilver wrote: Yeah, but it doesn't seem like tanks will really help at all on this map against Zerg. It would probably be best to go full out SK with heavy upgrades. mmm, but even if you break the temple, the temple is a pretty narrow choke, zerg could probably set up a heavy lurk contain around the exit if you don't go tanks at all then you could go dropships but zerg can just scourge that i dunno it seems hard if your assims die | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
On April 20 2009 05:59 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: even breaking 1 5000 hp temple is quite the time commitment though, and you'll have to break another to get into the zerg's nat, all while fighting off (supposedly) 3gas mutas its pretty bad The one in the center has double gas, so it's even worse actually. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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