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wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
February 12 2009 14:24 GMT
#21
great, thanks
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
February 12 2009 14:27 GMT
#22
These are nice vods, very useful to see what to do and your gameplay is well explained
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
February 12 2009 19:57 GMT
#23
--- Nuked ---
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
February 14 2009 22:45 GMT
#24
thanks this will be useful
Rojam
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany234 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-15 00:13:28
February 15 2009 00:12 GMT
#25
Oystein I would like to see a ZvP where you go 9 overpool speed and the protoss plays 2gate. I seem to have problems managing my economy properly because he continues producing zealots while teching. Somehow I don't really understand how to get a good economy after 9 overpool speed.(This is only against non FE Protoss Players, against FE I play the standard 3hatch lair into 5hatch hydra)

I hope you got something
TrainReq
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada113 Posts
February 15 2009 00:28 GMT
#26
Thank you very much for this. I've always admired top level foreign zerg play.
Don't put your fingers where you wouldn't put your dick.
Prawned
Profile Joined August 2004
United Kingdom794 Posts
February 15 2009 00:41 GMT
#27
Norwegians have the sexiest voices ever. I think I'm on the turn!
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 15 2009 08:20 GMT
#28
On February 15 2009 09:12 geenobu wrote:
Oystein I would like to see a ZvP where you go 9 overpool speed and the protoss plays 2gate. I seem to have problems managing my economy properly because he continues producing zealots while teching. Somehow I don't really understand how to get a good economy after 9 overpool speed.(This is only against non FE Protoss Players, against FE I play the standard 3hatch lair into 5hatch hydra)

I hope you got something

Don`t think I have any VODs of that available so I would have to record a new one, however at the moment I am without internet at home since my ADSL modem broke down a few days ago and it takes a week or so for the ISP to send a new one.

Will have this in mind when I get back to recording new VODs, but 2gate from main is rather rare at the levels I play and I don`t use overpool speed often beside on a few maps and those are usually FE maps. So I can`t promise anything fast.
God Hates a Coward
Rojam
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany234 Posts
February 15 2009 10:11 GMT
#29
Yeah It seems that on higher ranks most protoss play standard and at my level they tend to play either 2gate, 1gate tech or some proxy. Because I open with overpool speed most of my games, I find myself in this low economy play way too often. But anyway thanks for keeping this in mind
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
February 15 2009 13:34 GMT
#30
Yeah I've discovered that too, my friends only seem to know two gate.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 17 2009 11:53 GMT
#31
Updated the OP with 4 build order transcripts that hymn made from the replays.

I could always make a VOD at low levels or get a friend of mine to 2gate vs me, but the result will not be as good as if it happens in some random laddergame I am afraid, but I will see what I can do.
God Hates a Coward
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
February 17 2009 13:16 GMT
#32
yay some zerg! gj!
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Zerum
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden348 Posts
February 17 2009 13:16 GMT
#33
I'm having huge trubel hearing what you say in the ZvT game becus of all the in game sounds. if you make more vods you might want to lower the ingame sound or remov it completly so its easyer to hear what you say...
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 26 2009 15:11 GMT
#34
Hey oystein, its inhale, idk if you remember me, i was on icc and you and shauni gave me some great advice (thank you). I was wondering where i can download these fpvods. I have the pvt with the max army on col but i dont see where i can download the dt dorp into arbs.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Equaoh
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada427 Posts
February 26 2009 16:54 GMT
#35
Forgive me for nit-picking but I think you mean 14 creep colony in the ZvP proxygates BO
Thanks so much for the guides!
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 26 2009 19:24 GMT
#36
Ohhhhhhh, also i would love to see a fpvod of a PvT, where the T does a hard push and build turrets as he moves forward.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-27 00:07:15
February 26 2009 23:36 GMT
#37
That 2nd ZvP is not FPvod. Itrs just a commentary of a replay... T_T

PS- The countering with lings imo is only going to work on maps with wide chokes to mains. As you see in the andromeda game he has tons of zeals and it makes it nearly impossible to break without losing tons of lings and drone mining time. Effectively negating any advantage you would have otherwise.

Do you think expanding to in base mineral only first is better since you are going to have to cancel nat hatch if he rushes, and will probably have 3rd hatch gas up in time for any typical build? I think the sunken here would also free up the ramp. But I dunno if he can just bypass it or kill the colonies before they morph with the early zeals.


I would like to see more ZvP vs FE on maps where it is really easy for toss to get his 3rd base as well.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 27 2009 08:40 GMT
#38
On February 27 2009 00:11 GreEny K wrote:
Hey oystein, its inhale, idk if you remember me, i was on icc and you and shauni gave me some great advice (thank you). I was wondering where i can download these fpvods. I have the pvt with the max army on col but i dont see where i can download the dt dorp into arbs.

You should be able to download all the VODs from : http://hosted.filefront.com/Oystein123
There is also some rep packs there (all my TSL reps, Spirit Reps and some of my latest iccup reps this season) and some VODs without commentary but just with music.

Forgive me for nit-picking but I think you mean 14 creep colony in the ZvP proxygates BO
Thanks so much for the guides!

Thanks its fixed now.

That 2nd ZvP is not FPvod. Itrs just a commentary of a replay... T_T

PS- The countering with lings imo is only going to work on maps with wide chokes to mains. As you see in the andromeda game he has tons of zeals and it makes it nearly impossible to break without losing tons of lings and drone mining time. Effectively negating any advantage you would have otherwise.

Do you think expanding to in base mineral only first is better since you are going to have to cancel nat hatch if he rushes, and will probably have 3rd hatch gas up in time for any typical build? I think the sunken here would also free up the ramp. But I dunno if he can just bypass it or kill the colonies before they morph with the early zeals.


I would like to see more ZvP vs FE on maps where it is really easy for toss to get his 3rd base as well.

Losing lings and mining time is better than outright dying vs the proxygate plus once you break out you even the game up pretty much by killing of his gates. + like I said in the VOD you should be able to do lots of harass and make him lose mining time with the first lings you run out before he is able to shut your ramp totally, even do I failed badly at that in that game.

I sometimes expo to the min only since its easier to hold vs 2gates, but in general it often still is hard to defend vs proxygates with the 12hatch. The difference is vs 1gate builds and normal FE builds you can put down a single sunk at your natural and be safe, while if you do min only first you can get some trouble from lots early on and have to make more lings than you would want to. (trouble in defending your natural when you have a morphing hatchery)

I will try to get around making more VODs during next week hopefully. Iv just been very busy with moving to a new apartment lately and my modem in the old place didnt work properly the last 2-3 weeks I lived there so I have not played much lately.
God Hates a Coward
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 01 2009 07:50 GMT
#39
Ohhhhhhh, also i would love to see a fpvod of a PvT, where the T does a hard push and build turrets as he moves forward.

Do you have a replay along these lines? i would love to watch something that explains how to counter that effectively.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
March 01 2009 11:45 GMT
#40
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this is a song from the band tomahawk.. are you a fan of mike patton?
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