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Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 03:22:51
April 09 2009 03:16 GMT
#121
hi Oystein
i dont know how busy u are cause i dont see you posting often
anyway
what about if you makes FPvods of Every PvZ BO??
that will help a lot.... and now questions
1-in Protoss Vs Terran when do you Get leg Speed(when his adding Fact??) and same in PvP.
2- When do you think is Safe to take a 4th?? maps like andro and Desti in PvT??
3-PvP in a normal BO 2gate Robo+reaver into Expa... when do you begins to make
Zealot and Leg?

4-in PvZ HangBang means a Push with 110-130 Supply? what is the Army Mix in a HangBang
how many HT?? how many Goons?? Obs?? Zealot??

5- do you Get Obs Speed or Range vs Z and T?? and When??

and
Can you Make a FPVods Doing Reaver Micro Vs P and T, its really hard to me.
every game i try Reaver i lost!!

thanks Oystein
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CBZ[LTKage]
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1 Post
April 09 2009 11:13 GMT
#122
Could you do some protoss micro games? A vod of those would be really appreciated.
CBZ for life
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
April 09 2009 20:40 GMT
#123
On April 09 2009 12:16 LuisMl8 wrote:
hi Oystein
i dont know how busy u are cause i dont see you posting often
anyway
what about if you makes FPvods of Every PvZ BO??
that will help a lot.... and now questions
1-in Protoss Vs Terran when do you Get leg Speed(when his adding Fact??) and same in PvP.
2- When do you think is Safe to take a 4th?? maps like andro and Desti in PvT??
3-PvP in a normal BO 2gate Robo+reaver into Expa... when do you begins to make
Zealot and Leg?

4-in PvZ HangBang means a Push with 110-130 Supply? what is the Army Mix in a HangBang
how many HT?? how many Goons?? Obs?? Zealot??

5- do you Get Obs Speed or Range vs Z and T?? and When??

and
Can you Make a FPVods Doing Reaver Micro Vs P and T, its really hard to me.
every game i try Reaver i lost!!

thanks Oystein

Sorry Iv just been doing other stuff lately, Easter in Norway = skiing for most people. So the last week I have spent mostly in my family's cabin in the woods and cross country skiing in the woods\mountains around here.

I will try to get around making more VODs after Easter, hopefully covering some PvZ.

1. As late as possible, usually around the same time I start zeal production, in most games after about 20ish goons. All depends what the T is doing, if hes playing aggro from 2 base I make speed quicker, if he takes quick third I make it later. To put it easy, I start it right before I think hes about to move out (for example when I see hes unsieging his cliff tanks) and when I do I also start zeal production.
2. Depends what build you open up with, I often open up with quick expos and play rather "risky" so I will often take the 4th pretty fast. As for safe, I guess once you have gotten your macro up and running from your gates from 3 bases. Also on desti the min only behind your nat can be taken pretty quickly since you don`t need any extra defenses there if you have taken your 3rd in front of it.
3. I don`t play a lot of PvP, but I usually start my legspeed around the same time I start zeal production and I start zeal once I am at about 5-6 gates or around 2 groups of goons.
4. Way to general question, your army mix should be made from what you scout the Zerg doing, usually no more than 4-5hts since you most of the time will not be able to throw of more storms than from 3-4 hts in a battle. However a good rule of thumb is that you usually want a well mixed P army regardless of what you are playing against.
5. I never upgrade Observers in PvZ unless I am under a heavy lurker contain and then I usually do range. As for PvT, I don`t upgrade speed as often as I should, but most of the time I am pretty good at moving my obser in front of my army manually. However when I do upgrade it, its usually after I am up on 3 bases and I don`t feel I need to spend those money elsewhere. Say for instance I go fast arbiters I will pretty much never get the upgrade unless I get to a point where I have an excess of mins\gas.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 09 2009 21:26 GMT
#124
On April 04 2009 10:21 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2009 23:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
Oystein i would have a quiestion to you. I'm a zerg payer and i often do double hatch befor pool if i see my opponent going forge-fast expand, i know it's not too common, so i dont know if you can give me and advise regarding this. I go 4 hatch hydra bust or 3 hatch lair standard play from there. I dont really know when to get my first gas. I guess for the 3 hatch lair apllies the 12 extarctro rule of the 3hatchspire5hatch hydra build, what about the other one?

Thank you

I don`t really like the 3hatch before pool opening for the specific reasoning that the P can and should cannon rush you if you do it. Even if you scout it you have to pull drones to defend and that seriously messes up your timings and delays everything you are doing, or if they simply do 2 fast gates and just non stop sends zeals keeping you from massing drones like you really want to do. If I do it I usually opt for going for a 4th hatch before taking my gas and go into a hydra heavy play, but I guess it sort of depends what you scout the P doing, if hes teching fast I would try to delay the gas for as long as possible. However if hes doing more aggressive gateway builds I would get the gas sooner rather than later to get the hydra upgrades asap. But like I said I have tried experimenting with 3hatch before pool and come to the conclusion that regular play is better suited for me at least, and therefor I can`t really give a definitive answer to your questions.


ofc he tries to cannon rush you, put one drone on that probe, and you're safe. You can even bait it for a bit to force an attempt that you scout immediatly and he cancels the pylon. But more important, 4th htach befor gas you say, hmm, i will have to try it, thank you
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
April 09 2009 21:37 GMT
#125
Why do you go 12 asim 14 cyber core? I always go 11 asim and 13 cyber core now because it just is faster and it doesn't stop your econ if you are perfect in doing other stuff(like splits)
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
April 10 2009 00:03 GMT
#126
On April 10 2009 05:40 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 12:16 LuisMl8 wrote:
hi Oystein
i dont know how busy u are cause i dont see you posting often
anyway
what about if you makes FPvods of Every PvZ BO??
that will help a lot.... and now questions
1-in Protoss Vs Terran when do you Get leg Speed(when his adding Fact??) and same in PvP.
2- When do you think is Safe to take a 4th?? maps like andro and Desti in PvT??
3-PvP in a normal BO 2gate Robo+reaver into Expa... when do you begins to make
Zealot and Leg?

4-in PvZ HangBang means a Push with 110-130 Supply? what is the Army Mix in a HangBang
how many HT?? how many Goons?? Obs?? Zealot??

5- do you Get Obs Speed or Range vs Z and T?? and When??

and
Can you Make a FPVods Doing Reaver Micro Vs P and T, its really hard to me.
every game i try Reaver i lost!!

thanks Oystein

Sorry Iv just been doing other stuff lately, Easter in Norway = skiing for most people. So the last week I have spent mostly in my family's cabin in the woods and cross country skiing in the woods\mountains around here.

I will try to get around making more VODs after Easter, hopefully covering some PvZ.

1. As late as possible, usually around the same time I start zeal production, in most games after about 20ish goons. All depends what the T is doing, if hes playing aggro from 2 base I make speed quicker, if he takes quick third I make it later. To put it easy, I start it right before I think hes about to move out (for example when I see hes unsieging his cliff tanks) and when I do I also start zeal production.
2. Depends what build you open up with, I often open up with quick expos and play rather "risky" so I will often take the 4th pretty fast. As for safe, I guess once you have gotten your macro up and running from your gates from 3 bases. Also on desti the min only behind your nat can be taken pretty quickly since you don`t need any extra defenses there if you have taken your 3rd in front of it.
3. I don`t play a lot of PvP, but I usually start my legspeed around the same time I start zeal production and I start zeal once I am at about 5-6 gates or around 2 groups of goons.
4. Way to general question, your army mix should be made from what you scout the Zerg doing, usually no more than 4-5hts since you most of the time will not be able to throw of more storms than from 3-4 hts in a battle. However a good rule of thumb is that you usually want a well mixed P army regardless of what you are playing against.
5. I never upgrade Observers in PvZ unless I am under a heavy lurker contain and then I usually do range. As for PvT, I don`t upgrade speed as often as I should, but most of the time I am pretty good at moving my obser in front of my army manually. However when I do upgrade it, its usually after I am up on 3 bases and I don`t feel I need to spend those money elsewhere. Say for instance I go fast arbiters I will pretty much never get the upgrade unless I get to a point where I have an excess of mins\gas.

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thx Oystein you Rock!!
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LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
April 10 2009 06:35 GMT
#127
thank you for these, ive already extracted most of these from your replay packs but its always good to hear in your own words your reasoning for things, and of course the triggers for changing things up in your mind. Thank you
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7699 Posts
April 10 2009 07:03 GMT
#128
Hey oyster I'm just posting to say:

TRAIN FOR YOUR TOURNAMENT PLEASE!

Don't be unprepared okay?
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
April 11 2009 17:48 GMT
#129
On April 10 2009 06:37 Racenilatr wrote:
Why do you go 12 asim 14 cyber core? I always go 11 asim and 13 cyber core now because it just is faster and it doesn't stop your econ if you are perfect in doing other stuff(like splits)

Depends on when I scout and what build I am using. When doing 1gate builds I don`t notice any difference really. However I do it when I do the 10\15 build, or if I scout after my gas or core. To put it easy, if I can do 11\13 without having to cut probes I do it, if I scout after pylon or gateway I usually do 12\14, its really not a big difference.

Hey oyster I'm just posting to say:

TRAIN FOR YOUR TOURNAMENT PLEASE!

Don't be unprepared okay?

Unlike most people, JF and me actually showed up at the arranged time and played our game last weekend, so no need to practice more until they schedule my next opponent and map. Also breaks like this is good
God Hates a Coward
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7699 Posts
April 11 2009 19:14 GMT
#130
Yes but now when we play I will crush you like an ant okay?

not serious.

but as far as I'm concerned there are 2 types of starcraft paths, the way of the night (pm rekrul) or the way of the light (idra) one gets you laid and payed and the other.......

pm rekrul ^^.
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
April 11 2009 19:41 GMT
#131
On April 12 2009 02:48 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2009 06:37 Racenilatr wrote:
Why do you go 12 asim 14 cyber core? I always go 11 asim and 13 cyber core now because it just is faster and it doesn't stop your econ if you are perfect in doing other stuff(like splits)

Depends on when I scout and what build I am using. When doing 1gate builds I don`t notice any difference really. However I do it when I do the 10\15 build, or if I scout after my gas or core. To put it easy, if I can do 11\13 without having to cut probes I do it, if I scout after pylon or gateway I usually do 12\14, its really not a big difference.

Show nested quote +
Hey oyster I'm just posting to say:

TRAIN FOR YOUR TOURNAMENT PLEASE!

Don't be unprepared okay?

Unlike most people, JF and me actually showed up at the arranged time and played our game last weekend, so no need to practice more until they schedule my next opponent and map. Also breaks like this is good


Oystein where are the new FPVODS PVZ??

i cant wait
and remember to do PvZ and PvT GENERAL TIPS ALSO!!!

GL on your Tournament
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
April 12 2009 15:52 GMT
#132
really appreciate your zerg vods dude!


moar plz >:D
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-12 21:58:15
April 12 2009 19:27 GMT
#133
Oystein other Question for you
i have saw many toss going Pure Goon+Zealot Heavy Vs TErran without Shutter or albiters
and later on they Add Albiters
what is the perpuse of doing only Goon+Zealot ???
this is a BO to fight 5 Factory Timming?
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
April 19 2009 15:35 GMT
#134
here are you??
your Post is Dying
because you arent here
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 21 2009 16:18 GMT
#135
On the follow-up you use for the 10/15, with DT drops and Arbiters, do you think that will still be effective on Neo Medusa with its buildable middle?
besseriym
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
April 21 2009 17:35 GMT
#136
Oystein, these are great man. I can't wait for more PvZ VODs.

Thanks for makin these.
Whoa...people still play Starcraft?!?!?...awesome. ^^
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
April 21 2009 20:51 GMT
#137
i cant download the VOD of of fiel front T_T.. .im lost
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
April 21 2009 22:16 GMT
#138
On April 20 2009 00:35 LuisMl8 wrote:
here are you??
your Post is Dying
because you arent here

Been busy with other things lately so haven't played that much, and when I have played its mostly just been ranking up new accounts for ASL\VAL so there have not really been many good matches and I did not record many of them anyway.

On the follow-up you use for the 10/15, with DT drops and Arbiters, do you think that will still be effective on Neo Medusa with its buildable middle?

Not as effective as on the old map, but it still should work out pretty good since he can`t really move out until he have dealt with your DT drop, and by that time your first arb should be about finished and you can meet him far out on the map making him slowly leapfrog himself forward. The only real difference is that now Terrans probably will be more inclined to do a fast push build ala the 6fact push since they can build the middle, but I still think that most Ts will take a quick 3rd on this new version of the map also.

Oystein, these are great man. I can't wait for more PvZ VODs.

Thanks for makin these.

Maybe I will make a PvZ tonight, I know iv been talking about making one for ages now but things have sort of just gotten in the way and I don`t really have many games at the moment ready to make a commentary for. Only thing I have right now is a 1gate tech build at Rush Hour and a few 1gate expo builds. Im gonna start recording more games again and see if I can`t get a good FE game recorded, so stay tuned.

i cant download the VOD of of fiel front T_T.. .im lost

Dunno whats wrong, it worked fine for me when I tried to download one just now.
God Hates a Coward
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
April 22 2009 01:45 GMT
#139
On April 22 2009 07:16 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 00:35 LuisMl8 wrote:
here are you??
your Post is Dying
because you arent here

Been busy with other things lately so haven't played that much, and when I have played its mostly just been ranking up new accounts for ASL\VAL so there have not really been many good matches and I did not record many of them anyway.

Show nested quote +
On the follow-up you use for the 10/15, with DT drops and Arbiters, do you think that will still be effective on Neo Medusa with its buildable middle?

Not as effective as on the old map, but it still should work out pretty good since he can`t really move out until he have dealt with your DT drop, and by that time your first arb should be about finished and you can meet him far out on the map making him slowly leapfrog himself forward. The only real difference is that now Terrans probably will be more inclined to do a fast push build ala the 6fact push since they can build the middle, but I still think that most Ts will take a quick 3rd on this new version of the map also.

Show nested quote +
Oystein, these are great man. I can't wait for more PvZ VODs.

Thanks for makin these.

Maybe I will make a PvZ tonight, I know iv been talking about making one for ages now but things have sort of just gotten in the way and I don`t really have many games at the moment ready to make a commentary for. Only thing I have right now is a 1gate tech build at Rush Hour and a few 1gate expo builds. Im gonna start recording more games again and see if I can`t get a good FE game recorded, so stay tuned.

Show nested quote +
i cant download the VOD of of fiel front T_T.. .im lost

Dunno whats wrong, it worked fine for me when I tried to download one just now.


Well When I have the page up it looks like the homepage for file front.. please direct me?
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
April 22 2009 02:17 GMT
#140
http://hosted.filefront.com/Oystein123

There should be direct links in the OP tho.
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