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ZeKk
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sweden320 Posts
March 26 2009 15:10 GMT
#101
Hey Oystien. What would you say be a good counter against 10/15 gate as terran. Would the strong fd push be able to stop that?
BunkerPush
Profile Joined June 2006
United States107 Posts
March 26 2009 17:40 GMT
#102
Nice vods Oystein, are you a terran "and" a zerg player? or just pick Terran versus zerg only?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 22:38:34
March 26 2009 22:37 GMT
#103
For the ZvT on Colli, was that an iccup game? what was the terran guy's rank? He seemed pretty bad, most terrans would have just traded attacks on that first move (thats my years of Z experience anyways). And when he saw ur expo up top most T would have instantly sent a small group of MnM, and he even had a shuttle to do that too. Terrans do this more than often so much as well that I've gotten accustomed to sending 2 lurkers to hatches before they finish.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
logicgosu
Profile Joined March 2009
18 Posts
March 27 2009 07:59 GMT
#104
Good fpvods, adding the replays and bos is also nice. How about adding some pvz forge fe builds and some pvp builds.
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
March 27 2009 15:16 GMT
#105
What a kickass thread,incredible work oystein.This should be the guide for anyone who wants to take bw a little more serious. I hope you have back ups for those packs,cause filefront gonna shut down I heard :p
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
March 27 2009 19:47 GMT
#106
The T you played in the PvT was so bad... you should show that build vs a better player next so you can demonstrate how to adapt to 2 fact, drops, and just all around better T macro

Nice stuff though^^
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 27 2009 19:54 GMT
#107
Its hard getting the perfect game.
Usually it takes some tries recording because you want a representable VOD for your build or whatever you're going to show unless you just want to show skills.
And many times the opponent does something utterly stupid^^

Anyway what I'm trying to say, once you've recorded a VOD that fall into representation of your purpose then you have to go with it. Hopefully you faced a good opponent, but not always.
Since most games played are vs random opponents on ICCup you can never be certain of his skill.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
March 28 2009 00:50 GMT
#108
On March 27 2009 00:10 ZeKk wrote:
Hey Oystien. What would you say be a good counter against 10/15 gate as terran. Would the strong fd push be able to stop that?

The strong FD push is the opening that have been giving me the most troubles when doing the 10\15 when microed well it even pushes the 10\15 back. Have not played much vs dropship play but I think it can give some troubles especially on a map like Medusa with cliff behind your main.

@ CharlieMurphy
Not sure what his rank was, but I think most of my games are recorded vs B- or higher opponents. Don`t I mention the rank in the beginning of the VOD for the game?

@ Logicgosu
On my to do list, its coming. I am away now, but hopefully I will get around doing it next week.

@ Louder
What PvT VOD? I assume its the Destination game, yeah the game wasnt the best but it was one of the first one I recorded. And like Stylish says finding good games to make commentaries for can be pretty hard. Its always a decision what kind of VOD you want to use also. Do you want a close entertaining game? Do you want a build showing how the build works when performed perfectly? Do you want a game just vs strong opposition? As for the level of my opponents I usually stick to making the VODs at B- and higher to get respectable opponents, but that don`t guarantee the quality of the play from my opponents in any given game.
God Hates a Coward
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 01:45:51
March 29 2009 01:45 GMT
#109
hi Oystein some question for you
What should I scout for with my initial Probe?
what do you see to know if a terran will do 2 Fact rush or 4 marine+Vult+tank Rush?

i have troubles guessing the opening of a terran
i know if they put SVC back to mineral means they will do CC
but if your probe dies how do you know what he will do??

thnx for your time
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
March 31 2009 00:09 GMT
#110
hey Oystein where are you??
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
March 31 2009 12:27 GMT
#111
Sorry been away visiting some friends in another city the last week so have not checked in often here.

You often have to make guesses from limited info if you can`t scout them early properly. If the map is flat like longinus and Medusa you can usually expect FD or 2fact if he don`t wall off. If he walls of you can usually get info by attacking his wall with your goons, if he gets Siege quickly you can safely assume he is either doing Siege\expand or 1fact\dropship. If he gets up to 2 tanks without Siege there is a good chance hes going 2fact.

Like you said yourself, looking for how many SCVs he pulls of gas gives you an indication. But often on ramped maps you end up not scouting what the T is doing at all. When this happens I leave a probe at their natural and see what they move out with or if they float out a cc. If I see them moving out with a typical 2fact army, I usually cancel my expo if I have started it and just defend my ramp with whatever I have.

At the end you often gonna end up having to make educated guesses on what the Terran is doing. Also you can do builds that gives you the initiative if you can`t scout the T like going 1base reaver or just play it safe and do 2gate or an obs build or simply work more on your early game micro to be able to do 1gate expo builds vs FD and sometimes even hold vs 2fact builds.
God Hates a Coward
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
April 01 2009 04:27 GMT
#112
ok you told
~~If I see them moving out with a typical 2fact army, I usually cancel my expo if I have started it and just defend my ramp with whatever I have. ~~

but when you cancel that nexus do you put Gates or add Robo? or just wait to brake the push
and then expand?
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
April 01 2009 13:05 GMT
#113
On April 01 2009 13:27 LuisMl8 wrote:
ok you told
~~If I see them moving out with a typical 2fact army, I usually cancel my expo if I have started it and just defend my ramp with whatever I have. ~~

but when you cancel that nexus do you put Gates or add Robo? or just wait to brake the push
and then expand?

Yeah if I cancel I add Robo and 2 gates. Your not breaking a 2fact push from 1gate, its a fair chance you will outright die from it also, but with some good goonmicro on your ramp and probes if needed its possible to defend. If its on a flat map I don`t cancel and just try to survive somehow.
God Hates a Coward
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 14:22:39
April 01 2009 14:19 GMT
#114
Oystein i would have a quiestion to you. I'm a zerg payer and i often do double hatch befor pool if i see my opponent going forge-fast expand, i know it's not too common, so i dont know if you can give me and advise regarding this. I go 4 hatch hydra bust or 3 hatch lair standard play from there. I dont really know when to get my first gas. I guess for the 3 hatch lair apllies the 12 extarctro rule of the 3hatchspire5hatch hydra build, what about the other one?

Thank you
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
April 04 2009 01:21 GMT
#115
On April 01 2009 23:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
Oystein i would have a quiestion to you. I'm a zerg payer and i often do double hatch befor pool if i see my opponent going forge-fast expand, i know it's not too common, so i dont know if you can give me and advise regarding this. I go 4 hatch hydra bust or 3 hatch lair standard play from there. I dont really know when to get my first gas. I guess for the 3 hatch lair apllies the 12 extarctro rule of the 3hatchspire5hatch hydra build, what about the other one?

Thank you

I don`t really like the 3hatch before pool opening for the specific reasoning that the P can and should cannon rush you if you do it. Even if you scout it you have to pull drones to defend and that seriously messes up your timings and delays everything you are doing, or if they simply do 2 fast gates and just non stop sends zeals keeping you from massing drones like you really want to do. If I do it I usually opt for going for a 4th hatch before taking my gas and go into a hydra heavy play, but I guess it sort of depends what you scout the P doing, if hes teching fast I would try to delay the gas for as long as possible. However if hes doing more aggressive gateway builds I would get the gas sooner rather than later to get the hydra upgrades asap. But like I said I have tried experimenting with 3hatch before pool and come to the conclusion that regular play is better suited for me at least, and therefor I can`t really give a definitive answer to your questions.
God Hates a Coward
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 01:45:47
April 04 2009 01:43 GMT
#116
Made a new VOD tonight

1015 Rush Follow up VOD

Vod : http://files.filefront.com/1015followupwmv/;13533614;/fileinfo.html

Rep : http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=9974

BO : will add later.

Also been trying to record some PvZ VODs, but havent really found any games that I want to use yet, hopefully I will get one during the next week.
God Hates a Coward
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
April 04 2009 02:24 GMT
#117
thx u a lot Oystein ^^
keep the good work up!!
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
April 04 2009 19:37 GMT
#118
Oystein in PvZ when you do a normal BO Nexus+Forge
what do you normally tech up after you see the Z base?
do you put Gateways Down after you see it or before?
can you give us some General tips in PvZ

thx
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
TaP.Nuada
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States428 Posts
April 04 2009 21:43 GMT
#119
Nice Oystein, you rock!
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zeox
Profile Joined November 2007
Norway314 Posts
April 04 2009 22:18 GMT
#120
These videos are amazing Øystein! Thanks for doing this, you have no idea how helpful this is.
I hope you'll continue what you're doing
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