would 3 hatch into hydra + lots of speedlings work vs fast tank? i've seen sen do it in some of his replays on azalea, but i dont know if the same build would work here.

edit: assuming you tech lurk after fighting off the first push.

[GiTM]-Ace

United States4935 Posts

September 19 2005 15:50 GMT

#22

u can try making extra sunks and making them all staggering for some extra time and get +1 on mutas. but ur gosu and prolly already knew this

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

September 19 2005 16:20 GMT

#23

the 3 hatch muta doesnt work on this map as well because the bases are closer and t's are already compelled to proxy rax so their offensive producing structures are inherintly closer to your choke hatch.

3 hatch range hydra and ling could work, i tried something similar to that on rush hour and it worked fine, i think i will experiment with this strategy see how it goes. Im B+ atm so if it works its legit i suppose!

mcmascote

Brazil1575 Posts

September 19 2005 17:18 GMT

#24

On September 20 2005 00:14 gulii wrote:

Show nested quote +

A question : Why would it be weaker on this map compared for example to LT ? (just wanna know, no sarcasam involved )

Imagine the lost temple-gamei and 12 position. Your expo will be delayed cause you should protect your choke with the second hatch and expo with the third hatch.

LG)Sabbath

Argentina3024 Posts

September 19 2005 22:26 GMT

#25

its possible to stop tank rush being at 12... maybe not if T is at 3 though

i think mass ling works on forte vs fast tank because its easy to flank, but i suppose its easy to fuck up and if the terran is really good it might not work

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

September 20 2005 00:44 GMT

#26

also at the B+ range no t's do fast tank without protecting ramp at home with bat and rines / med and the actual push itself usually (for me at least) has had a fast bunk and 2-3 bats. Arrg!

tomson

Poland641 Posts

September 20 2005 01:08 GMT

#27

12hatch at natural. 11pool. Lair before 3rd hatch. Sunkens at main (you probably won't need more than 2, since the ramp is so tight) and natural accordingly. Muta or Lurker, your choice.

Save 4 larvas for Lings, if you suspect 8rax/haven't found him yet. Keep an adequate amount of Drones to fend off SCVs, first Marine, before your Lings come. If you're forced to cancel your Hatch you lose, since you're not getting out of your main with that small ramp.

LG)Sabbath

Argentina3024 Posts

September 20 2005 05:12 GMT

#28

On September 20 2005 09:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
also at the B+ range no t's do fast tank without protecting ramp at home with bat and rines / med and the actual push itself usually (for me at least) has had a fast bunk and 2-3 bats. Arrg!

well yes anyone half good would have firebats at his ramp, but even 3 bats will usually fall to 2-3 groups of lings, considering that if the tank rush is fac-first his stim and bats will be delayed

ive recently had some B- crush my tank rush (i think i had 2-3 bats actually) with pure ling then follow with mass mutas, it doesnt win you the game but i think its a good counter

MhX

United States317 Posts

September 20 2005 05:16 GMT

#29

On September 20 2005 01:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
the 3 hatch muta doesnt work on this map as well because the bases are closer and t's are already compelled to proxy rax so their offensive producing structures are inherintly closer to your choke hatch.

3 hatch range hydra and ling could work, i tried something similar to that on rush hour and it worked fine, i think i will experiment with this strategy see how it goes. Im B+ atm so if it works its legit i suppose!

whenever I try to open with 3 hatch hydra opening they just expand and sit in base and when they come out they have too many tanks and I can't really do anything to stop them.. T.T

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

September 20 2005 05:22 GMT

#30

arrg im losing so much!

Now P's are doing a gay ass 1 gate forge rush that allows them to safely expand if i 9 / choke hatch and if i in-hatch they attempt a cannon block at my ramp which is 100% win on that map.

ADVICE: DONT EVER GET STUCK IN UR BASE THAT RAMP IS THE DAMN DEVIL

Jim

Sweden1965 Posts

September 20 2005 07:06 GMT

#31

Keep reporting iNcontrol. This battle of strategies is really interesting. Thank god for new maps!

decafchicken

United States20178 Posts

September 20 2005 08:02 GMT

#32

9 offensive hatch 9 pool is amazing.

Elsi

United Kingdom8173 Posts

September 20 2005 08:15 GMT

#33

Im also having difficulties vs T on this map too, as P though, any advice people?

RaiZ

2813 Posts

September 20 2005 08:40 GMT

#34

Exactly : Don't do mass glings when u see the rax in main and not outside. Though even if he builds outside the main u should pay attention if u wanna counter it with mass glings.

hasuwar

7365 Posts

September 20 2005 15:55 GMT

#35

gonna have to self teach yourself..it's not that difficult really. Just watch the rep, and see what time he comes out. Then play a game vs the comp, and if you can come up with 50 lings by the time he comes out with 12 marines and a tank.. well gee gee. If not, keep trying until you can. Then there is that whole problem of not knowing what he's going.....hmm

gulii

Sweden2795 Posts

September 20 2005 17:08 GMT

#36

If u go mass ling T will not attack you !

And keep on to vessel tech and rape your lings.

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

September 20 2005 19:23 GMT

#37

On September 20 2005 14:22 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
arrg im losing so much!

Now P's are doing a gay ass 1 gate forge rush that allows them to safely expand if i 9 / choke hatch and if i in-hatch they attempt a cannon block at my ramp which is 100% win on that map.

ADVICE: DONT EVER GET STUCK IN UR BASE THAT RAMP IS THE DAMN DEVIL

haha you are probably the best player who has posted in this thread so it's probably hard to get help T.T

keep fighting-.-

and post some reps if you like:D