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On September 30 2017 23:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
naw if you play a 1v1 team melee and you pick terran with all 4 players, you get 800 supply max. (You don't actually need to have 4 players on each team, it can be a 1v1 on team melee setting.)

honestly would be a little fun to see how that plays out at the highest level. Should definitely hurt zerg, but I think it could have fun consequences for pvt, with terran 'wait for 180 supply before moving out' builds becoming significantly weaker, as they could run into 260 rather than 200 supply of protoss units.

On October 01 2017 12:32 Murchaldo wrote:
Zerg players who browse this forum, when do you find time to macro in ZvT once you get your hive up? In the other matchups, I'm just starting to be able to keep my money down, and in ZvT, I manage to keep it down until defilers come up, and then I blink and have 3000/2000 banked up. Between burrowing/retreating lurkers, keeping Dark Swarms up, watching for drops, making sure all my defilers are max energy, and trying to send hitsquads to Terran expansions, I never feel able to go back to my base and upgrade/expand/build units. It feels like the instant I look away from my units, I lose an incredibly valuable position.

I know everyone macros a little differently, but I'm just looking for something to try, because right now it feels impossible.

On October 04 2017 14:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if you make your obs follow your unit, it will trail at a distance behind while the unit is walking and then catch up when the unit has stopped.
you want to group your units together and just move them. if your obs has speed it will fly too far ahead after a while and without it dragoons will outrun it slightly, so it takes a bit of attention especially when clearing mines

On October 04 2017 15:38 Jealous wrote:

4 base turtle ZvP was very popular around, what, 2009-2013ish(?) on maps like FS? "1 gas, 2 gas, 3 gas, 4, camp four gas then ultra whore." You take the near natural as your 3rd, the main as your 4th, make like no units except Lurkers and Scourge (maybe a few early Hydra/Ling to scare your opponent into not being greedy), then just power Drone + Sunk + Spore and transition to 3-3 UltraLingDefiler GG.

I am no Zerg expert but I know for sure you can sacrifice an Overlord into his main and not have to ask this question. In general, I like to simcity my natural to prevent Vulture runby, get Hydra with speed, and Lair ASAP off 2 base 3 Hatch.

On October 04 2017 16:15 ninazerg wrote:


I'm going to recommend something weird, which is to go 9/9 drone scout every ZvT. The Chinese player F91 used to do this, and when I was young and naive, I would just do stuff that I saw progamers that I liked do. So I kind of got stuck with the habit of doing this scout, but I'm rarely surprised by what comes out of the Terran base. Whether or not I play correctly to deal with it is a different story.

If you decide to go this route, here are some things you may see:

Supply Depot, Barracks, Refinery: Usually this means a factory is going to be built. The other way it could go is some kind of early-academy attack to break your front. How can you know which you're going to get? Well, you'll know fairly early, but for both of these, I would recommend making a sunken at the entrance to your natural. This will definitely kill a slow vulture before it can do anything, and can deal with very small numbers of marines (I'd guess like 5 or 6) when they don't have medics. Then make your zerglings like normal and send like two to your opponent's ramp. The rest of your zergs will kill the SCV in your base, because you don't want the Terran to see your tech for free. By "for free", I mean you want to force them to use their comsat sweeps to get information, and if the SCV stays alive, you're just making life easier for your opponent. With your own scouting units, you're going run at the ramp and see how many marines are at the top of the ramp. The Terran player can hide the bulk of his/her marines further back, but getting a little information is better than no information. A wall-off is usually indicative of some factory-tech play, which can include:

Vulture / Single Wraith into some kind of bio attack
Vulture / 2 port wraith into bio
2 port wraith into bio with no vulture
Fast dropship with bio
Fast goliath drop (This will happen once like every 5,000 games you play)
1 base vessel / bio push
2 fact speed vultures
1 base / 3 barracks bio
1 base nuke
3 port wraith
Vulture into vulture drop with mines and valkyrie and expand (aka "The Fantasy Build")

Most of this stuff can be dealt with if you hold off on your Lair for a second, and get your hydra den and hydralisk speed upgrades first. Then you get your lair with the next 100 gas so you can get overlord speed or/and lurkers. You can even go mutalisks after you use your hydralisks to hold off mitigate the damage.

Another route you can go is get your Lair, then get metabolic boost to make a lot of speedlings. If there are a lot of mines on the map, you can explode them by sending a couple of zerglings forward through the mines, then sending the bulk of your zerglings to attack. This is a more aggressive, less economic approach, but if you're successful, you can take advantage of the Terran having very little units because they spent most of their money to tech upwards. Also, if you're dealing with some weird early bio/tank push, you can kill off many weird pushes like that with zerglings. Speed hydras are more costly, but can deal with pretty much all the same stuff that zerglings can deal with, but can also shoot down wraiths and dropships.



Depot / Barracks: This means it's standard opening play from them and you can do whatever you want.