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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-23 21:04:00
September 23 2017 21:03 GMT
#6961
literally never

I guessss if you're playing against an arbiter heavy protoss in a game where you're both rich, it's probably worth it.
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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
September 23 2017 23:51 GMT
#6962
It's decent for vision against turret+mine too
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
September 24 2017 07:07 GMT
#6963
On September 24 2017 05:41 shall_burn wrote:
When does zerg need to research ovie sight range?


99% of players should never

that said, i've seen larva get it whenever he goes mass queens vs mech
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8691 Posts
September 24 2017 12:38 GMT
#6964
On September 23 2017 12:47 Golgotha wrote:
question about building units as toss and terran. I noticed that there is a delay whenever I click on the gateway/rax/fac and then press the hotkey for a unit. I have to wait a half a second and only then will it register and start producing the unit. It's not instant. is this normal? I tried different computers and keyboards, there is a delay for all of them. this makes it very slow whenever I have to produce units. is there method so that I can do this faster?

this has happened to me and its why i stopped playing sc.
i never found out the cause of this but some combination of OS selection and hardware selection is my guess.
my mouse moves faster than its supposed to and keys dont register inputs unless i deliberately put effort into "pausing" before each key.
i know its not an issue with the way i play, because on computers that dont have this issue i play perfectly fine.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10179 Posts
September 24 2017 20:40 GMT
#6965
On September 24 2017 08:51 ortseam wrote:
It's decent for vision against turret+mine too

I also like to use it when I am Lurker containing a Protoss, but I'm not very good. I just think it's nice to have for sniping Observers.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jan1997
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Norway671 Posts
September 24 2017 20:50 GMT
#6966
What's the best counter as a protoss against a zerg going mass muta? Dragoons are good somewhat but they keep getting stuck in buildings & minerals trying to chase harrasing mutas so I'm running out of options.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10179 Posts
September 24 2017 21:07 GMT
#6967
On September 25 2017 05:50 Jan1997 wrote:
What's the best counter as a protoss against a zerg going mass muta? Dragoons are good somewhat but they keep getting stuck in buildings & minerals trying to chase harrasing mutas so I'm running out of options.

+1 Corsair, 2 Stargates if you really want to shut it down hard but it might make you vulnerable to a tech switch.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-25 04:55:19
September 25 2017 04:55 GMT
#6968
Am I wrong, or does a map with an easily-taken 3rd gas like Crossing Field really disadvantage Zerg (and Protoss in PvT)?

It's counter-intuitive, because Zerg is supposed to be the fast-expanding race, so you'd think that an easy 3rd would help them. But then the P or T can just match them in expansions really easily, and then where do they go? 3 vs 3 bases is not a good fight for Zerg. I suppose they can go for a 4th, but there's no clear timing for it, and it's even harder to defend.

Most of the above also applies to Protoss in PvT, too.

What are you supposed to do when you need an extra base, but your opponent can easily match your base count?
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
September 25 2017 06:10 GMT
#6969
If it's really mass muta, than you may want to grab a dark archon too (for maelstorm)
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1418 Posts
September 25 2017 06:43 GMT
#6970
On September 25 2017 13:55 Luddite wrote:
Am I wrong, or does a map with an easily-taken 3rd gas like Crossing Field really disadvantage Zerg (and Protoss in PvT)?

It's counter-intuitive, because Zerg is supposed to be the fast-expanding race, so you'd think that an easy 3rd would help them. But then the P or T can just match them in expansions really easily, and then where do they go? 3 vs 3 bases is not a good fight for Zerg. I suppose they can go for a 4th, but there's no clear timing for it, and it's even harder to defend.

Most of the above also applies to Protoss in PvT, too.

What are you supposed to do when you need an extra base, but your opponent can easily match your base count?


Take yet another (4th) base?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28689 Posts
September 25 2017 08:16 GMT
#6971
third gas is more important for zvt than tvz, imo. zvp is a different story though.
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Tune_Link
Profile Joined September 2017
2 Posts
September 25 2017 14:51 GMT
#6972
Why aren't hydras/lurkers used in zvz? Hydras can do ok against mutas, you can tech to them faster and lurkers end any zergling play. They're also cheaper than mutas. So is it just impossible to move out against muta/ling with hyrdra/lurker since they're less mobile and you just lose all your drones? Or can muta micro just beat hydras straight up?
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
September 25 2017 15:14 GMT
#6973
lack of mobility, hydras aren't great against mutas either

you need a critical mass of hydras before you can move out, and while you're doing that the muta player is going to be picking stuff off and/or forcing static d while droning/expanding
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28689 Posts
September 25 2017 15:53 GMT
#6974
yeah hydras are absolutely terrible against small-medium sized mutaling armies of comparable size. And because hydras are so slow compared to mutaling, and because you have to drone up more before you can start massing them, you need to build a lot of static defense. That puts you severly behind from the get-go. Then you need to mass up a significant army before you can mount any actual attack. This allows the mutalinging zerg to drone up and expand more. A group of 40 hydra and 4 lurkers is certainly going to do well in a straight up fight against a comparable amount of mutaling, but you end up being so far behind before that battle that you never get the straight up fight against a comparable amount of mutaling.

I played a ladder game this season against some guy who was going hydra, and he did it fairly competently. By the time he had a hydra army capable of contesting my mutaling army, I had 3 bases to his two, and both lurkers and dark swarm to defend with.
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AcMilan91
Profile Joined August 2017
105 Posts
September 25 2017 17:26 GMT
#6975
In ZvP if toss goes just speed zealots fe do i change anything in 5 hatch into spire?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28689 Posts
September 25 2017 17:50 GMT
#6976
there's obviously no point in making any scourge. There are various ways you can counter it depending on your preferred style of play. When I open 4 gate zealot, I generally think zergs who have great sim city, just enough zerglings and sunkens to defend and then make 11 mutas are the toughest to beat. It's viable to just go hydra lurker or lurker ling as well, but in that case I can be somewhat active with my zealots while spending my gas on templar, and depending on the map I can often take a pretty quick third. whereas if they go muta, I need cannons, and I need either a lot of dragoons or dark archon before I can leave my base.
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Tune_Link
Profile Joined September 2017
2 Posts
September 25 2017 19:08 GMT
#6977
On September 26 2017 00:14 Dead9 wrote:
lack of mobility, hydras aren't great against mutas either

you need a critical mass of hydras before you can move out, and while you're doing that the muta player is going to be picking stuff off and/or forcing static d while droning/expanding


I figured as much. Thanks a lot!
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 27 2017 20:45 GMT
#6978
When is overgas good in ZvZ?
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
September 28 2017 04:28 GMT
#6979
How do you guys handle anger? I have a small stress ball on my desk that I squeeze when games don't go my way, which worked fine and dandy until one fateful evening.

Picture this: The lights in my room are off and the only brightness in my room is the illumination of my monitors. Dusk has far approached my house, and my windows only show darkness and the occasional star in the sky. I can hear cars whizzing past the street down the road every few minutes. Some motorcycles as well. My stress ball sits to the left of my keyboard, which I deem my "angry hand". I'm matched against a Terran... my favorite type of opponent. After a 30 minute battle of intense warfare, my keyboard stops working. My natural is trampled by the Terran. Then my main is demolished. I try to type "go fuck yourself cunt" but the words don't come out. Right, my keyboard.

All of a sudden I feel something fuzzy touch my leg. Who is it, but my white fuzzy cat? She has the keyboard cord laying on top of her and she is wiggling and is in a playful mood. My first instinct is to kick her across my room like Dan Bailey going for a game winning field goal. Then I remember my stress ball. Without looking, I reach to my left and grasp in my hand the first spherical object I can. I give it a huge squeeze. Wetness. Juice running all the way down my arm and leg. My table is soaked in a pulpy aftermath. I forgot I had placed a peach on my desk a few games prior to snack on.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7219 Posts
September 28 2017 04:50 GMT
#6980
On September 28 2017 13:28 SCC-Faust wrote:
How do you guys handle anger? I have a small stress ball on my desk that I squeeze when games don't go my way, which worked fine and dandy until one fateful evening.

Picture this: The lights in my room are off and the only brightness in my room is the illumination of my monitors. Dusk has far approached my house, and my windows only show darkness and the occasional star in the sky. I can hear cars whizzing past the street down the road every few minutes. Some motorcycles as well. My stress ball sits to the left of my keyboard, which I deem my "angry hand". I'm matched against a Terran... my favorite type of opponent. After a 30 minute battle of intense warfare, my keyboard stops working. My natural is trampled by the Terran. Then my main is demolished. I try to type "go fuck yourself cunt" but the words don't come out. Right, my keyboard.

All of a sudden I feel something fuzzy touch my leg. Who is it, but my white fuzzy cat? She has the keyboard cord laying on top of her and she is wiggling and is in a playful mood. My first instinct is to kick her across my room like Dan Bailey going for a game winning field goal. Then I remember my stress ball. Without looking, I reach to my left and grasp in my hand the first spherical object I can. I give it a huge squeeze. Wetness. Juice running all the way down my arm and leg. My table is soaked in a pulpy aftermath. I forgot I had placed a peach on my desk a few games prior to snack on.

I drink
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