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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8940 Posts
October 20 2013 14:34 GMT
#3241
hes talking about the hotkeying process? no shit its not difficult to scan
to answer the question, practice heaps and you will understand why theyre that fast. when all they do is play starcraft everyday stretching their hands across the keyboard becomes as easy as a pianist playing beginner pieces.
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 15:13:32
October 20 2013 15:11 GMT
#3242
On October 20 2013 23:33 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 23:31 herozour wrote:
On October 20 2013 23:03 juvenal wrote:
Well they switch the screen with f-hotkeys but the mouse is required to select the comsats, so they probably don't press 9 and 0 with their right hand, which leaves left hand to press f2, hold ctrl and press 9, then f3 - 0. When I watch them though it seems they do it much faster than it is humanly possible.

The comsats can be bound to hotkeys. And usually left hand is doing everything.
You press 0 then scan then 9 and scan. What is so difficult about this?

he's referring to how fast they can hotkey with only using your left hand.

the sequence is f2 -> ctrl + 0

he's asking how do they do it so fast (since your thumb should be reaching accross the keyboard)

im thinking is they're using the right hand side ctrl?

They do. I seen boxer do it in a video as well as day9 talked about it. Thumb on right CTRL and point finger on 8,9,0
But you could just hotkey it in a more peaceful time so they are already bound to the hotkeys so when there is battle you just click 0 and then left click on scan button.
It is big distance between 0 and S so it's faster to actually press sweeper with a mouse.

To speed things up you can position camera above the scanning area so that it takes less time to reach scanning area from scan button with a mouse.

Or you can just press 0 and then move left hand to S and press it while keeping mouse above scanning area and be ready to scan once hotkey is pressed.
Whatever makes your party going.
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
October 20 2013 15:38 GMT
#3243
Thank you everyone! Basically the rule 'when you see something unbelievable being performed by a men - it's all about 10000hrs practice' applies.
Michael Probu
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 20 2013 16:01 GMT
#3244
On October 21 2013 00:38 juvenal wrote:
Thank you everyone! Basically the rule 'when you see something unbelievable being performed by a men - it's all about 10000hrs practice' applies.

Just practice is not enough. You need to optimize things and look for smart solutions.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 21 2013 20:08 GMT
#3245
what is a proper way to deny cannon contain when going 3hatch vs 2gate
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 21 2013 20:17 GMT
#3246
On October 22 2013 05:08 sabas123 wrote:
what is a proper way to deny cannon contain when going 3hatch vs 2gate

Get bunch of Zerglings and hydras and pwn those cannons?
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 21 2013 21:02 GMT
#3247
On October 22 2013 05:17 herozour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 05:08 sabas123 wrote:
what is a proper way to deny cannon contain when going 3hatch vs 2gate

Get bunch of Zerglings and hydras and pwn those cannons?

you have to remember that you will most likely have something like 16 lings against 7 zeals at maxs when he starts to cannons and you don't have any hydras
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
October 21 2013 21:17 GMT
#3248
On October 22 2013 06:02 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 05:17 herozour wrote:
On October 22 2013 05:08 sabas123 wrote:
what is a proper way to deny cannon contain when going 3hatch vs 2gate

Get bunch of Zerglings and hydras and pwn those cannons?

you have to remember that you will most likely have something like 16 lings against 7 zeals at maxs when he starts to cannons and you don't have any hydras

Do you have replay? Micro like a mofo and try to whittle down his zealot number keep pumping speedlings as necessary and dash into to snipe any cannon that starts building...to be honest I've never dealt with a 2 gate -> cannon contain so I'd need to watch a replay...
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 21 2013 21:19 GMT
#3249
Yeah show us the rep. We can say bunch of theories but they are worthless unless we know exactly what to look at.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 21 2013 21:21 GMT
#3250
if you mean cannon outside your nat just let it go up and break it later. versus 2gate you should have sunkens up already so he cant creep in with cannon zealot
youre on 2 bases and 3hat the p is on 1base with 2gates and a forge cannon contain. watch for when he gasses with your overlord so you know his tech timing, keep making sunks if he doesnt gas for a while
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
October 22 2013 20:52 GMT
#3251
This is a bit of an odd question but it's something I've been having a lot of issues with.

What's the best way/quickest way to change the rally points of all my factories late game so I can rally closer to my army? It takes me forever and I'm sure there must be a quicker way, it's just when I watch Sea/Ssak/Mind and Mong they seem to do it instantaniously and I can't work out how :p
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 22 2013 20:57 GMT
#3252
location hotkeys, shift+f2~f4
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
October 22 2013 22:25 GMT
#3253
On October 23 2013 05:57 Dead9 wrote:
location hotkeys, shift+f2~f4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18ancDxBUE


Thanks, I need to practice that. ^^
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 22:27:01
October 22 2013 22:26 GMT
#3254
On October 22 2013 05:08 sabas123 wrote:
what is a proper way to deny cannon contain when going 3hatch vs 2gate


If you see this happening, here's what you need to do:

First, get a couple of sunken colonies at your front. Don't worry if there is a cannon warping in range of the morphing sunken, because a sunken colony will definitely kill a cannon. You want to gradually add sunken colonies to your front as the game progresses, but not all at once.

Second, don't get your gas right away. Get a fourth hatchery and an evolution chamber. This is because you will be spending a lot of money powering drones and getting zerglings/sunkens as needed. The evolution chamber is to make a spore colony, and eventually to get your +1 whatever upgrade. If he sees you are turtling up, his most likely course of action will be to go mass corsair to stop you from dropping or going mutalisks.

Step three (this is optional, because if he does a cannon contain like that, he will be behind in economy if you drone up): get your gas, then get +1 ranged attack, then get lair. When the lair is finished, start researching your drop tech and get a hydralisk den. You should start pumping out a lot of hydralisks, and getting upgrades for speed/range/lurker, in that order. Actually, you get lurker first, but if he sees a huge bunch of slow hydras for awhile, he might get suspicious. I really recommend hydra first, especially for if he does something gay like building a robotics facility at the cannon line to make reavers to siege down your sunken colonies. Once the overlord drop is done, wait until the corsairs are away, and load up the hydralisks, then drop them over your wall to the outside. Then run over and kill his natural. Once you do this, he should end up pulling all of the zealots back to defend, and once that happens, you can knock down his cannon contain.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
greatnoob
Profile Joined September 2012
Hungary50 Posts
October 23 2013 03:03 GMT
#3255
I am unable to connect to battle.net servers with brood war.

Could someone give me some tips what to do? I've forwarded some ports on my router config page (6112,6115,6119), added brood war as an exception to the windows firewall, but still nothing.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1361 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 08:28:42
October 23 2013 08:28 GMT
#3256
On October 23 2013 12:03 greatnoob wrote:
I am unable to connect to battle.net servers with brood war.

Could someone give me some tips what to do? I've forwarded some ports on my router config page (6112,6115,6119), added brood war as an exception to the windows firewall, but still nothing.


Do you have a legit copy of broodwar? The one you dl off iccup doesn't have a valid cd key, so doesn't work for official bnet servers.

If you do have a legit copy, how exactly are you not able to connect? Do the servers not show up in the server list? Is there an error message when you try to connect? You havn't really given us enough information to work with.
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
greatnoob
Profile Joined September 2012
Hungary50 Posts
October 23 2013 10:26 GMT
#3257
On October 23 2013 17:28 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 12:03 greatnoob wrote:
I am unable to connect to battle.net servers with brood war.

Could someone give me some tips what to do? I've forwarded some ports on my router config page (6112,6115,6119), added brood war as an exception to the windows firewall, but still nothing.


Do you have a legit copy of broodwar? The one you dl off iccup doesn't have a valid cd key, so doesn't work for official bnet servers.

If you do have a legit copy, how exactly are you not able to connect? Do the servers not show up in the server list? Is there an error message when you try to connect? You havn't really given us enough information to work with.


Well I'm not sure what I have to tell you. But here are the answers to your questions:

- I have legit copy.
- The servers show up in server list.
- There is an error message when I try to connect. (forgot what it was sorry, could tell you later perhaps)
- The extra information: brood war is not the only game that's unable to connect. So far other games also failed to connect to internet servers.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1361 Posts
October 23 2013 11:25 GMT
#3258
On October 23 2013 19:26 greatnoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 17:28 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On October 23 2013 12:03 greatnoob wrote:
I am unable to connect to battle.net servers with brood war.

Could someone give me some tips what to do? I've forwarded some ports on my router config page (6112,6115,6119), added brood war as an exception to the windows firewall, but still nothing.


Do you have a legit copy of broodwar? The one you dl off iccup doesn't have a valid cd key, so doesn't work for official bnet servers.

If you do have a legit copy, how exactly are you not able to connect? Do the servers not show up in the server list? Is there an error message when you try to connect? You havn't really given us enough information to work with.


Well I'm not sure what I have to tell you. But here are the answers to your questions:

- I have legit copy.
- The servers show up in server list.
- There is an error message when I try to connect. (forgot what it was sorry, could tell you later perhaps)
- The extra information: brood war is not the only game that's unable to connect. So far other games also failed to connect to internet servers.


Are you using any other firewalls, or quasi-firewall software? If so, turn them off and try. If not, turn off windows firewall and try.
If that allows you to connect, then turn them back on and try tweak further, but try to isolate where the problem is first.

If it's other games also failing to connect then chances are it's either firewall or router related. So if turning off all firewalls doesn't work, chances are it's going be something to do with your router settings (incorrectly fowarded ports don't stop you from connecting to bnet usually, just hosting, so it's probably not that).

But yeah, first make sure it's not firewall related, firewall problems are easier to fix. If it's router related, basically good luck, those are incredibly tricky to fix, and if it's a connection related problem, then completely can't be fixed.
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
greatnoob
Profile Joined September 2012
Hungary50 Posts
October 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#3259
On October 23 2013 20:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 19:26 greatnoob wrote:
On October 23 2013 17:28 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On October 23 2013 12:03 greatnoob wrote:
I am unable to connect to battle.net servers with brood war.

Could someone give me some tips what to do? I've forwarded some ports on my router config page (6112,6115,6119), added brood war as an exception to the windows firewall, but still nothing.


Do you have a legit copy of broodwar? The one you dl off iccup doesn't have a valid cd key, so doesn't work for official bnet servers.

If you do have a legit copy, how exactly are you not able to connect? Do the servers not show up in the server list? Is there an error message when you try to connect? You havn't really given us enough information to work with.


Well I'm not sure what I have to tell you. But here are the answers to your questions:

- I have legit copy.
- The servers show up in server list.
- There is an error message when I try to connect. (forgot what it was sorry, could tell you later perhaps)
- The extra information: brood war is not the only game that's unable to connect. So far other games also failed to connect to internet servers.


Are you using any other firewalls, or quasi-firewall software? If so, turn them off and try. If not, turn off windows firewall and try.
If that allows you to connect, then turn them back on and try tweak further, but try to isolate where the problem is first.

If it's other games also failing to connect then chances are it's either firewall or router related. So if turning off all firewalls doesn't work, chances are it's going be something to do with your router settings (incorrectly fowarded ports don't stop you from connecting to bnet usually, just hosting, so it's probably not that).

But yeah, first make sure it's not firewall related, firewall problems are easier to fix. If it's router related, basically good luck, those are incredibly tricky to fix, and if it's a connection related problem, then completely can't be fixed.


Thank you for the advices!

If I'm not mistaken, I got some extra safety stuff or something on my router. Should I disable my router safety settings as well?
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 23 2013 16:07 GMT
#3260
On October 23 2013 21:14 greatnoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 20:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On October 23 2013 19:26 greatnoob wrote:
On October 23 2013 17:28 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On October 23 2013 12:03 greatnoob wrote:
I am unable to connect to battle.net servers with brood war.

Could someone give me some tips what to do? I've forwarded some ports on my router config page (6112,6115,6119), added brood war as an exception to the windows firewall, but still nothing.


Do you have a legit copy of broodwar? The one you dl off iccup doesn't have a valid cd key, so doesn't work for official bnet servers.

If you do have a legit copy, how exactly are you not able to connect? Do the servers not show up in the server list? Is there an error message when you try to connect? You havn't really given us enough information to work with.


Well I'm not sure what I have to tell you. But here are the answers to your questions:

- I have legit copy.
- The servers show up in server list.
- There is an error message when I try to connect. (forgot what it was sorry, could tell you later perhaps)
- The extra information: brood war is not the only game that's unable to connect. So far other games also failed to connect to internet servers.


Are you using any other firewalls, or quasi-firewall software? If so, turn them off and try. If not, turn off windows firewall and try.
If that allows you to connect, then turn them back on and try tweak further, but try to isolate where the problem is first.

If it's other games also failing to connect then chances are it's either firewall or router related. So if turning off all firewalls doesn't work, chances are it's going be something to do with your router settings (incorrectly fowarded ports don't stop you from connecting to bnet usually, just hosting, so it's probably not that).

But yeah, first make sure it's not firewall related, firewall problems are easier to fix. If it's router related, basically good luck, those are incredibly tricky to fix, and if it's a connection related problem, then completely can't be fixed.


Thank you for the advices!

If I'm not mistaken, I got some extra safety stuff or something on my router. Should I disable my router safety settings as well?

You should go into your router and investigate the settings and adjust them accordingly.
But if you are blocked by your internet provider then fixing your router is not gonna do much.
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