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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Flawless victory? Lol. Fuck, I wish Zerg could do this.  | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
On December 07 2009 17:01 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Flawless victory? Lol. Fuck, I wish Zerg could do this. It's not like ZvP is much more complicated, a very similar guide could be written to get zerg to C- level ZvP... (assuming FE protoss) 1. never stop drone production (except for 2-6 early zerglings) 2. dont get supply blocked, account for possible overlord corsair snipe 3. after the 3 hat lair 5 hat hydra build is at the 5 hat hydra part, stop building drones, pump hydras 4. have a lot of stuff, attack | ||
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FoBuLouS
United States570 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On December 07 2009 17:33 Ftrunkz wrote: It's not like ZvP is much more complicated, a very similar guide could be written to get zerg to C- level ZvP... (assuming FE protoss) 1. never stop drone production (except for 2-6 early zerglings) 2. dont get supply blocked, account for possible overlord corsair snipe 3. after the 3 hat lair 5 hat hydra build is at the 5 hat hydra part, stop building drones, pump hydras 4. have a lot of stuff, attack Knowing how to do a basic 5 hat hydra is nowhere near enough to get you to C- ZvP. Jeez, edited that like 12 times. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 07 2009 17:33 Ftrunkz wrote: It's not like ZvP is much more complicated, a very similar guide could be written to get zerg to C- level ZvP... (assuming FE protoss) 1. never stop drone production (except for 2-6 early zerglings) 2. dont get supply blocked, account for possible overlord corsair snipe 3. after the 3 hat lair 5 hat hydra build is at the 5 hat hydra part, stop building drones, pump hydras 4. have a lot of stuff, attack This only works if there are no templars, or the templars have no storms. | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
On December 07 2009 17:38 koreasilver wrote: This only works if there are no templars, or the templars have no storms. just like the the protoss one only works if the person doesnt have lurkers and hydras/scourge sniping your obs, and only works if the terran has poor army positioning. Obviously some level of basic basic basic micro is implied here -_-. Anyway this is really off topic and im regretting my original post now, either way hotbids advice as everyone has said is pure gold to anyone that doesnt know it, or does and doesnt practice it. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On December 07 2009 17:01 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Flawless victory? Lol. Fuck, I wish Zerg could do this. I'm pretty sure zerg can do this. Replace never stop making probes with never have 3 larvae at a hatchery, at least for the first 7 minutes or so, and you're almost set. Almost every zerg rep that I've seen posted on the strat forum is guilty of not doing this. It won't do quite as much for you as for protoss, but you'll still improve significantly. | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
Im wondering about the real need of F's for macro, i believe that make clusters of gway in late game and hotkey for a center gway its faster and easy. And switch hotkeys all the time its the korean way. Also, until the midgame you have a lot of "free" hotkeys number to use, and you dont need F`s. But of course, maybe im wrong about it. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 06 2009 16:13 Hot_Bid wrote: Here is how to macro with Protoss past D+ level: For 4-5 games, try to focus on only building probes and not getting stuck at supply for a game or two. That means neglect micro and other stuff and just make sure that your two or three nexus lights never stop blinking. If you lose, you lose. Watch the replays and select each nexus, did it ever stop blinking? If so, keep practicing building probes and pylons. Once your nexus' lights never go off for two bases, then work on gateways the same way. It becomes much harder to not get stuck at supply while doing this, but try. Do this for as many games as necessary to keep the nexus lights on AND keep your gates going. You will feel like you are spending all your attention and APM just building probes, units, and buildings. This is fine. Keep doing it, over and over and over and over and over. If you find that you can't do this against an opponent because you just lose, do it against the computer. As many games as it takes to make 0p9p second nature and whatever gateway macro method you use completely instinctual. Once your nexus light never stops and your gates hum smoothly, you can stop playing the computer and start learning how to control your army between macro sweeps. You don't even need to be good at micro. Once you learn to macro, you likely can automatically get to C- just by macroing and then a-moving. Sometimes, you'll have 2k/1k and still have a ton of more stuff than your opponent. This is called "outmacroing someone" and is really enjoyable and rewarding. Enjoy your C rank. This should now be linked in every PvT/PvZ help thread from now on from a D- through D+ toss and the thread immediately closed lol | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10696 Posts
It's harder against Zerg tho.. Much harder if he's *half* decent (for a D+ player)... Lurkers, Mutas, mass Hydras make stuff more complicated :p. Suddenly you are the guy that has to micro in fights and be prepared for the gayness that are cloaked units, air units and mass hydras :p. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 07 2009 17:33 Ftrunkz wrote: It's not like ZvP is much more complicated, a very similar guide could be written to get zerg to C- level ZvP... (assuming FE protoss) 1. never stop drone production (except for 2-6 early zerglings) 2. dont get supply blocked, account for possible overlord corsair snipe 3. after the 3 hat lair 5 hat hydra build is at the 5 hat hydra part, stop building drones, pump hydras 4. have a lot of stuff, attack It's just not that simple for Zerg, unlike protoss, zerg units are not immortal and need CONSTANT babysitting, if you look away one second and get stormed you lose a shitload units instantly. And if you EVER try to a-move as zerg into a Terran or Protoss ball, you're fucked. You need immaculate flanking/swarming skills in order to break their ball of assrapage. | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
Also getting your third relatively safely is a huge factor. That third base will determine if you survive in the late game Psi Storm is the great equalizer. Get storm tech and +50 temp energy upgrades and practice cloning storms. | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:37 DreaM)XeRO wrote: knowing when to build pylons and when to stop probe production is huge. Also getting your third relatively safely is a huge factor. That third base will determine if you survive in the late game Psi Storm is the great equalizer. Get storm tech and +50 temp energy upgrades and practice cloning storms. if it's PvT make sure they're in a shuttle | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
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0neheart
United States92 Posts
click z click d click t | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
if you're still using your mouse to click on unit icons... | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On December 07 2009 17:35 FoBuLouS wrote: Thanks for this thread, it's a good read. However, I do have a question regarding rallying. I tend not to use 0 9 8 7 etc for hotkeys because I tend to use those to hotkey a few gateways and then rally them to my choke or something. Is there a better way to rally so i can use my 0 9 8 7 keys? I use F2 for my main base macroing and F3 for my natural. I don't like the idea of erasing a set of hotkeys and then rehotkeying. Is this unavoidable? Don't worry using the F keys is the correct way to produce probes. all pro Ps use the F key method assuming you produce gateways in pairs or occasionally 3s i find its best to simply hotkey them and then mouse over to your rally and set the rally point. ive watched a lot of pro fpvods and most of them seem to do this. if youre producing a shitload of gateways at once, or you need to mass reset your rally, you can use the F keys. set one F key to your rally, and one to your gateways. then hit gateway F key, click gate, hit rally F key, set rally. repeat. practice it a bit and it's really fast. | ||
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