D Protoss Macro Secrets - Page 2

On December 07 2009 03:07 IntoTheWow wrote:
No with T you need to baby sit your army a lot. An army of 12 tanks and 24 vults unsieged and unmined will die easily to a protoss army of equal force.

On December 07 2009 03:49 SkytoM wrote:


but after 10min into the game, you would have far too much probes, don't i?

On December 06 2009 16:13 Hot_Bid wrote:
Here is how to macro with Protoss past D+ level:

For 4-5 games, try to focus on only building probes and not getting stuck at supply for a game or two. That means neglect micro and other stuff and just make sure that your two or three nexus lights never stop blinking. If you lose, you lose. Watch the replays and select each nexus, did it ever stop blinking? If so, keep practicing building probes and pylons.

Once your nexus' lights never go off for two bases, then work on gateways the same way. It becomes much harder to not get stuck at supply while doing this, but try. Do this for as many games as necessary to keep the nexus lights on AND keep your gates going. You will feel like you are spending all your attention and APM just building probes, units, and buildings. This is fine. Keep doing it, over and over and over and over and over.

If you find that you can't do this against an opponent because you just lose, do it against the computer. As many games as it takes to make 0p9p second nature and whatever gateway macro method you use completely instinctual. Once your nexus light never stops and your gates hum smoothly, you can stop playing the computer and start learning how to control your army between macro sweeps.

You don't even need to be good at micro. Once you learn to macro, you likely can automatically get to C- just by macroing and then a-moving. Sometimes, you'll have 2k/1k and still have a ton of more stuff than your opponent. This is called "outmacroing someone" and is really enjoyable and rewarding.

Enjoy your C rank.

On December 07 2009 06:26 nextstep wrote:


yes, is there a magic number of probes per mineral patch or line?

i'm sure at some point, probe production isn't necessary.

i usually make only ~15-17 per line (10-12 on smaller lines), and they already run around, like move around the patch, go behind it, etc.

edit: i want to ask this question for all races too. i'm sure it's not the same, at least for me. i seem to make ~same number of SCVs as probes, but with zerg, i make much less, until later on the game.

On December 07 2009 06:26 nextstep wrote:


yes, is there a magic number of probes per mineral patch or line?

i'm sure at some point, probe production isn't necessary.

i usually make only ~15-17 per line (10-12 on smaller lines), and they already run around, like move around the patch, go behind it, etc.

edit: i want to ask this question for all races too. i'm sure it's not the same, at least for me. i seem to make ~same number of SCVs as probes, but with zerg, i make much less, until later on the game.

On December 06 2009 21:30 3clipse wrote:

Oh god, this is what gets me when I play zerg. I'm not used to having to choose between workers and combat units and my proportions/timings of production of each are probably way off, killing my macro.

On December 07 2009 03:07 IntoTheWow wrote:
No with T you need to baby sit your army a lot. An army of 12 tanks and 24 vults unsieged and unmined will die easily to a protoss army of equal force.

On December 07 2009 06:16 Muirhead wrote:
Usually in PvT you stop building probes out of your first two bases when you get your third, though you can still get some more at your 3rd depending on what's going on. Then you resume probes when your 4th nexus is building until it is finished. However, it's important to replace probes you lose to harass etc. and all of this is assuming perfect probe production.

On December 07 2009 09:16 foppa wrote:


when the crap do you take your third? 150 supply? that makes no sense. iccup rank please?

On December 07 2009 13:37 XxxKennyxxX wrote:
so your saying I should practice like this:
1. the moment my zealots or whatever comes out I attack?
1. never stop probe production.
2. don't get supply blocked
3. have a lot of stuff, attack

On December 07 2009 05:36 0neheart wrote:
even if it's not supposed to be a problem at d level, when do you stop building probes? just because you got to c- doesn't mean you magically suddenly know when to stop building probes..