Yes, scouts can be useful under few very situational circumstances, so rare that we have really only seen very few games where they were used, much less put to good use. Scouts are so weak that you can't really incorporate them into any strategy simply because other units will do the job just aswell, cost less and be more versatile at the same time.

Here's the game between ForGG and KaL. Will you please stop talking about it now?

EsX_Raptor

United States2802 Posts

June 04 2009 16:32 GMT

#63

United Kingdom184 Posts

June 04 2009 18:10 GMT

#64

I think you're approaching changing the Scout in the wrong way. Buffing it potentially does make it too powerful (and you're just creating a Protoss Muta or overlapping with Corsair), it'd be more interesting to think of a proper niche role for it, its current niche is almost non-existent. Perhaps it could be moved to Robotics so it doesn't overlap so much with Corsair, moving the upgrades to the Support Bay. It'd be available as a counter to a Wraith that's there to intercept your Shuttle and would make Shuttles riskier in PvP.

AttackZerg

United States7475 Posts

June 04 2009 18:20 GMT

#65

I think they overpowered scouts so they made them hard to afford. Way too much health, way to much damage ect.

I have always thought since zerg and terran go tech to fast air, it would only be fair if protoss could also.

Louder

United States2276 Posts

June 04 2009 19:06 GMT

#66

On June 04 2009 11:45 G5 wrote:

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Stacked speed scouts is the best thing in the world vs Zerg. I use it all the time. W/E I get an advbantage PvZ i follow it with speed scouts 80% of the time and it is just straight up deadly. 1 hit kill overlords, as fast as mutas and scourge and can run around zerg throughout the entire game.

I have hundreds of games with scouts vs Z (top koreans and top foreigners) and they are absolutely awesome.

Here is a game of me vs GoRush where I kill him with scouts.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=68913

This is from back when I was starting to experiment with Scouts. Honestly they are an amazing unit and dont need to be changed at all. People just need to have the balls to invest in them at the proper time.

Yep. I do this as well. I also often make a scout before a corsair cuz you can almost always get more overlord kills that way, like when Z is only starting his spire when my stargate is already up, or when Z did early cheese and is way behind in tech.

Tom Phoenix

1114 Posts

June 07 2009 03:43 GMT

#67

Personally, I am suprised we do not see more Scouts in mid-to-late game PvT. In a regular PvT match, a Protoss will put down Stargates for the purpose of producing Arbiters anyway. So why not produce an unupgraded Scout or two for the purpose of damaging or even destroying Science Vessels? The Terran will often not have a lot of (non-static) anti-air and Scouts can take a lot of punishment. Plus, 28 damage to large air units is nothing to sneeze at. At the very least, it forces the Terran to spend more resources into Goliaths rather then Siege Tanks.

Oh well, I guess it will take a Protoss (T)

fantasy for Scouts to see a more regular use (although the question is if such a person will come before SC2 arrives).

Divinek

Canada4045 Posts

June 07 2009 04:19 GMT

#68

On June 05 2009 01:08 prOxi.Beater wrote:
Yes, scouts can be useful under few very situational circumstances, so rare that we have really only seen very few games where they were used, much less put to good use. Scouts are so weak that you can't really incorporate them into any strategy simply because other units will do the job just aswell, cost less and be more versatile at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YQcNJ1iF5A&feature=channel_page

Here's the game between ForGG and KaL. Will you please stop talking about it now?

lol@ the comment that comes up at the start of the vod

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

June 07 2009 05:54 GMT

#69

They should at least switch the names of corsairs and scouts since corsairs are often used as, you know... scouts.

Aqo[il]

Israel183 Posts

June 07 2009 09:06 GMT

#70

I don't mind if you make scouts useful, but while you're doing that give queens consume and 3 armor, and switch the mineral and gas costs of the Ghost, then we're square, ok?
broodling siegetank/ht for 3 lings, everything ensnared forever, mass lockdown arbiter/observer, cheap disposable nukes, here we come :D

Having humiliation-tier units is really not a bad thing :s.

Although, Scouts are good to counter Carriers on cliffy maps and they're already /actually useful/ in that situation. It's just not a situation that happens very often.

If any change should be made, it's that scouts get an upgrade that gives them detection. They'd be like armored observers, which would be useful in all mus (against spore defense, mine+turret, etc)

yrag89

Malaysia315 Posts

June 07 2009 10:10 GMT

#71

Let's see game 5 after that. 1 scout cost more than 2 dragoons which I think is ridiculous.

funcraft

United States5 Posts

June 07 2009 10:22 GMT

#72

That G5 replay is a joke right? Either that or the replay I downloaded is broken The other player is AFK for at least 5 minutes(I'm not done yet) with less than 50 units(all workers with 4 lings). He coulda won it right there with probes

rkarhu

Finland570 Posts

June 07 2009 11:01 GMT

#73

On June 07 2009 19:22 funcraft wrote:
That G5 replay is a joke right? Either that or the replay I downloaded is broken The other player is AFK for at least 5 minutes(I'm not done yet) with less than 50 units(all workers with 4 lings). He coulda won it right there with probes

It's probably a 1.15 rep, hence the weirdness.

RisingTide

Australia769 Posts

June 07 2009 11:05 GMT

#74

It's an old replay. You would have run it on a different patch of starcraft to the one it was recorded on, so it bugs and nothing happens. You can get a patcher from the iccup website to watch it.
Edit: Beaten.

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