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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 06:03:43
May 29 2009 11:30 GMT
#61
what the fuck
splitting up bo3 is already bad enought, but splitting up bo5? are you serious? god this makes me angry on so many levels
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
May 29 2009 11:33 GMT
#62
At least brackets do change from RO16 to RO8 which is nice.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
May 29 2009 11:56 GMT
#63
On May 29 2009 19:09 AttackZerg wrote:
Everything else doesn't matter to me but splitting up bo5's is a fucking joke.

Seriously that is the HARDEST moment of any starcraft players career, they should be sitting there sweating it out back to back. That is where stars are made.

I agree.

I would compare it to splitting up a tenis champion match with some sets played one day and the rest played the following day.

No one wants to see that.

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wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
May 29 2009 12:13 GMT
#64
1) I both expected, and like it. (Main difference between this and normal Bo3 is that you are playing different people)

2) At this point in the post I am neutral, I assume there is a good reason.

4) It makes sense to have higher ranked players seeded, but why does every team get treated equally, why does an eSTRO/ACE (although this might be unfair as they both have improved substantially) get the same seed as say SKT. If a team has a lot of players in that win a game in the previous MSL (like Samsung) why should a weaker player get a seed.

In short I hate this decision.

Ro8

1) Dumbest move ever

2) I am glad they are moving away from the dumb preset bracket phase, but they should have a way of randomizing it, like have a 2-0 player randomly selected followed by a 2-1 player.
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
May 29 2009 12:34 GMT
#65
On May 29 2009 18:15 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2009 14:22 ZBiR wrote:
On May 29 2009 14:17 Emlary wrote:
4.) The player with the highest KeSPA ranking of each team will get a free access to MST. (If the No.1 player of a team has already made into MST or MSL, I guess the No.2 player will take the spot.).

I like this one.


Does this include ACE?

Of course it should, each team is each team and ACE is no exception.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 12:52:01
May 29 2009 12:44 GMT
#66
On May 29 2009 21:13 wswordsmen wrote:
4) It makes sense to have higher ranked players seeded, but why does every team get treated equally, why does an eSTRO/ACE (although this might be unfair as they both have improved substantially) get the same seed as say SKT. If a team has a lot of players in that win a game in the previous MSL (like Samsung) why should a weaker player get a seed.


Then again if SKT1 has already let say 3 to 4 players seeded to survivor (or MSL directly) they get highest KESPA ranked guy as bonus.

Don't know when they choose those 12 players to survivor tournament. I assume its before offline qualifiers (otherwise players like Best etc could get spot to survivor even if he lost offline qualifiers).

I bet OSL is going to change offline qualifiers too to match MSL some point (having 20 groups for MSL and 24 for OSL sounds weird and unfair)
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36389 Posts
May 29 2009 13:59 GMT
#67
Splitting up Bo5 = stupid. We won't have any more cool moments like Fantasy build or players choking or whatever. Instead we'll have one game, then four games? A Bo5 all at once is the most dramatic, most accurate display of player skill as we know it. You are forced to think, adapt, and withstand tremendous pressure. This last OSL Final, the awesome Fantasy-Jaedong, wouldn't have been nearly as great had it been 1 game then 4 games.

The KeSPA thing isn't so bad as long as they don't continue to go that way (ie more seeded players later in the tournament). People who are screaming at this forget that MST is outside the Ro32 even. It's not a big deal to seed players by KeSPA rank into the MST, because the entire offline into MST qualification process is a grueling and brutal format as it is. They are just giving better players more rest and preparation time, which frankly isn't unfair because the lesser players get way more practice per match due to their less demanding schedules. It's not the Ro32, its the MST.
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King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
May 29 2009 14:04 GMT
#68
What'll probably happen is that first game will be normal/cheese, and no "innovation" will be shown since the players will be keeping it for games 2-5 as not to give their opponents time to prepare against it.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
May 29 2009 14:11 GMT
#69
I seriously don't understand playing 1 game and then playing 4 games the next time.

Why.. not just play all five at the same time?... Someone explain this to me.
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scwizard
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 06:04:05
May 29 2009 15:01 GMT
#70
On May 29 2009 20:30 Carnac wrote:
what the fuck
splitting up bo3 is already bad enought, but splitting up bo5? are you serious? god this makes me angry on so many levels

Pretty much this. They're just delaying things for no good damn reason.
blapsd
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
England121 Posts
May 29 2009 15:11 GMT
#71
i agree that it ruins the epicness of the individual matches by splitting the bo5 up, but just imagine how fucking awesome that first day will be! Its ro8 so theres going to be amazing players there, hence you get to see four top notch matches. For example, you could see an incredible match and between flash and stork and then BAM next up bisu vs leta....jaedong vs skyhigh...etc
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
May 29 2009 15:23 GMT
#72
On May 29 2009 20:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2009 20:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Splitting up Bo5s is stupid..... They are exciting because it's 5 games in a row, you want to kill all tension by packing up after 1 game? .___.

Splitting Bo3s I can SORT of understand but Bo5s >_<??


splitting BO3s? thats so weird, but because OSL favorism here so it seems to be okay. I mean losing first game you are panicking next time you play, but at least BO5 you have 2 games to make comeback.

You're overreacting a bit, I think. "I can SORT of understand" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 29 2009 15:28 GMT
#73
MSL is becoming so random splitting this up in such an akward fashion
Jaedong :3
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9949 Posts
May 29 2009 15:40 GMT
#74
Wow. Any advantage given through KeSPa rankings just makes me really sad. They're so inaccurate. Not to mention it fucks over GOM even more.
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SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
May 29 2009 15:43 GMT
#75
There is no use being frustrated and angry over these changes.

Lets just wait and see how this plays out. Could be different that what you expect.
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
May 29 2009 15:45 GMT
#76
what the fuck... split Bo5s... and I thought split Bo3s were bad enough >.<
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 29 2009 15:54 GMT
#77
I'm gonna fly to Korea to meet the guy who decided splitting up series over multiple days was a good idea, and then I'm going to punch him right in the nards.
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
May 29 2009 17:17 GMT
#78
On May 29 2009 23:11 Jayme wrote:
I seriously don't understand playing 1 game and then playing 4 games the next time.

Why.. not just play all five at the same time?... Someone explain this to me.


Day 1: 4 games

Day 2: 4 to 8 games

Day 3: 4 to 8 games

So I think its just to balance out games. Now if there would be ZvZ, TvT, ZvP, PvT matches, they could arrange that ZvZ is shown first at day 2 and either ZvP or PvT after that. Just to give variety of games.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
May 29 2009 17:25 GMT
#79
where did they get the idea that people prefer Bo5s split up? goddamnit.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
May 29 2009 17:36 GMT
#80
On May 29 2009 19:22 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2009 19:09 AttackZerg wrote:
Everything else doesn't matter to me but splitting up bo5's is a fucking joke.

Seriously that is the HARDEST moment of any starcraft players career, they should be sitting there sweating it out back to back. That is where stars are made.


Well, they're only splitting up the RO8 games ... OSL doesn't even have BO5 in RO8.


oh ok, I misread the op. I thought all the bo5's except the finals were split.


I guess it matters alot less then.
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