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MSL Re-organization

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Emlary
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
China3334 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 05:27:46
May 29 2009 05:17 GMT
#1
Ro32
1.) Ro32 will adopt the format of MST which is first two games and the winners' game are separated from the losers' game and the final game of each group.

2.) Players who score 0-2 in Ro32 will drop directly to Internet cafe preliminary next season.

3.) Spots of MST from Internet cafe preliminary will cut from 24 to 20.

4.) The player with the highest KeSPA ranking of each team will get a free access to MST. (If the No.1 player of a team has already made into MST or MSL, I guess the No.2 player will take the spot.)

Ro8
1.) Ro8 bo5 games will be separated into two parts as well. e.g.

Match day 1
A vs. B game 1
C vs. D game 1
E vs. F game 1
G vs. H game 1

Match day 2
A vs. B game 2~5
C vs. D game 2~5

Match day 3
E vs. F game 2~5
G vs. H game 2~5

2.) The matchup of Ro8 will be decided by KeSPA rankings, e.g. No.1 vs No.8, No.2 vs No.7 etc.

Source: Fomos


I'd say....these are really really weird changes. KeSPA go hell! I hate the idea of cutting preliminary spots and giving free MST access. New players have less chances.
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
May 29 2009 05:19 GMT
#2
Furthering the ideal that OSL is the more formal of the 2.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
May 29 2009 05:19 GMT
#3
MSL changes its system like every other tournament.
I will eat you alive
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51500 Posts
May 29 2009 05:20 GMT
#4
way to weird things even more, mbc.
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
May 29 2009 05:20 GMT
#5
Splitting up bo5s is one of the worst ideas I've seen in a while. This makes no sense at all.
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
May 29 2009 05:21 GMT
#6
Furthering the ideal that OSL is the more formal of the 2.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 29 2009 05:21 GMT
#7
sounds like complicating stuff for no reason
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
May 29 2009 05:22 GMT
#8
On May 29 2009 14:17 Emlary wrote:
4.) The player with the highest KeSPA ranking of each team will get a free access to MST. (If the No.1 player of a team has already made into MST or MSL, I guess the No.2 player will take the spot.).

I like this one.
Initial_H.C.
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada560 Posts
May 29 2009 05:25 GMT
#9
Splitting the Ro8 Bo5 into two parts is silly
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
May 29 2009 05:25 GMT
#10
What is this crap? Seriously? Each team gets one free MST spot? Make them earn it.

Part of what makes championships special is knowing players had to endure the gauntlet that is the Offline Prelims. Take Luxury for example: he went from the Prelims all the way up to MSL champion. This is just some absolute garbage attempt to make KeSPA ranking relevant. Fuck that. This isn't American College Football and the BCS.
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Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
May 29 2009 05:25 GMT
#11
WTF... game 1 on 1 day, then 2-5 on another? Why the fuck not have 5 games on a day instead of just 4?

I guess they're trying to avoid having the big finale of the series be just 1 game (if they did game 1/2 first and then 3-5), but.... 2-5 is just WTF
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51500 Posts
May 29 2009 05:28 GMT
#12
i initially resented the osl's decision to scrap the ODT/OSC and integrate them into the OSL (and subseqeuently the ro36 format), but now I like it (they changed it because it made following the OSL easier or something).

this though, i don't think i'll ever like.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
May 29 2009 05:31 GMT
#13
p4nDemik pretty much summed up my thoughts.

Thanks for the news.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
May 29 2009 05:32 GMT
#14
1. Meh, I prefer the old format, but not a huge difference

2. I think this is too harsh

3. okay

4. whaaaaat?! really?! What a terrible idea, especially if the byes rollover to the next person

New Ro8: what. Why?! argh. I liked the old MSL format, this is garbage.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 05:36:04
May 29 2009 05:33 GMT
#15
Meh, looks cool to me.Hey, whatever they feel can make money. And after all, people do want to see stars. Why not give them a free pass into the MST.

The schedule change implies that apparently, no one wants to watch the same people over and over. So the entire plan is to have more people appear on TV on any given night. I like it, mainly because this favors Khan players who seem to be better when given preparation.
Meh
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 29 2009 05:34 GMT
#16
I guess we'll see what 4 does as a couple seasons pass, but I have a feeling it's gonna get scrapped after only one...

At least we'll see an ACE person in MSL
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Emlary
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
China3334 Posts
May 29 2009 05:35 GMT
#17
Just do well in PL and OSL then you will get a free MSL ticket

Btw, the new MSL opening is on the way. Some random pictures from the shooting scenario.

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No more SKT1, it's SKP2.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 05:38:35
May 29 2009 05:36 GMT
#18
fuck...splitting up Bo5s now????????

uyghhhhhhh

and wait...round of EIGHT matches are determined by KeSPA rank? That means there will be no bracket........
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whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
May 29 2009 05:38 GMT
#19
this is ugly and terrible

i hate the mst format and was hoping they wouldnt do it for the actual msl
im gay
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
May 29 2009 05:41 GMT
#20
On May 29 2009 14:33 baubo wrote:
Meh, looks cool to me.Hey, whatever they feel can make money. And after all, people do want to see stars. Why not give them a free pass into the MST.

You say this now, but don't come complaining when a slumping veteran (I'm looking at you sAviOr) plays like absolute refuse in the next MST and basically wastes a spot that could have been used by an upstart youngster who actually has refreshing/interesting play. This move stinks so badly they're going to have to pass out respirators at the next MST. Any time some organization takes important decisions out of the hands of the players it is a bad day for the game/sport/whatever.
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