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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
May 29 2009 17:49 GMT
#81
Match day 2
A vs. B game 2~5
C vs. D game 2~5


good news, we can see 8 games a day.
bad news 1, we might also see 8 fucking horrible games a day.
bad news 2, MSL is once a week now.? (I just dont like it when there is a hole in the week, except like final matches)

so ya, imo; this shit is bad.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 23:13:39
May 29 2009 23:13 GMT
#82
Why must it be so complicated, srsly. -_____-
觀過斯知仁矣.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
May 29 2009 23:54 GMT
#83
On May 29 2009 22:59 Hot_Bid wrote:
Splitting up Bo5 = stupid. We won't have any more cool moments like Fantasy build or players choking or whatever. Instead we'll have one game, then four games? A Bo5 all at once is the most dramatic, most accurate display of player skill as we know it. You are forced to think, adapt, and withstand tremendous pressure. This last OSL Final, the awesome Fantasy-Jaedong, wouldn't have been nearly as great had it been 1 game then 4 games.


First of all, this is a Ro8 thing only.

Also, you can look on the flip side. Bo5 all in one day can produce craptacular stuff. Imagine a quick, one-sided 3-0 of ZvZ(Jaedong by.hero?), or a 5 game long TvT that lasts for 5 hours(thank god this hasn't happened in a while). This sort of stuff doesn't make for good television to the general viewers.

By spliting things up, MBC can make sure that each day's schedule is somewhat balanced so there's variety.
Meh
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
May 30 2009 00:48 GMT
#84
it would have made more sense to split it up 2 games 1 day, 1-3 on the next

splitting up bo5's gives better games imo.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 01:11:23
May 30 2009 01:08 GMT
#85
PEOPLE LISTEN.

The split bo5 is only in the ro8. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid. Also, its not like the OSL doesnt have their bo3 split in 2 days. Thats basically the same idea but guess what, YOU GET MORE FUCKING GAMES. Its not like every bo5 is epic anyway. Ro8 bo5s usually suck balls specially the way they are setting the ro8 brackets now where higher kespa ranked would not be facing each other. I also think giving a team 1 free pass for MST is a good thing, fakesteve said it well.

Also take note the the current change in the MST went out well. I personally liked it better than the old format. More people playing in a day instead of the same face raping the same face. This will be a good change to the ro32 too.

Seriously guys, I think you are just bitching because it is the MSL. If this were the OSL you would be like, OMG OSL RULES.

nonesense.
Woo Jung Ho
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
May 30 2009 01:13 GMT
#86
Nothing we can do to change this, but it is bad for the sport. Having that unknown person being able to go from 0 to champion makes it exciting.
www.pureesports.com
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 01:16:25
May 30 2009 01:14 GMT
#87
On May 30 2009 10:13 sk` wrote:
Nothing we can do to change this, but it is bad for the sport. Having that unknown person being able to go from 0 to champion makes it exciting.

If that "unknown person" is really good. He will be champion regardless of what the format is. Seriously guys, you are even going way out of topic.

There are still offliners. There are 20 MST spots. Subtract 12 coz of Team seeds. You get 8 spots free. THAT IS ENOUGH SPOTS FOR GOOD UP AND COMING PLAYERS. Do you seriously want to see players like zergbong(this hurts me, im a fan), hyuk, s2, juni and etc. to be in the MST??
Woo Jung Ho
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
May 30 2009 03:39 GMT
#88
Most changes I dont care about, and the ones I do care about are good!

Free access for higher ranked players is a good thing, I also like matchups decided on rankings instead of randomness.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 30 2009 04:13 GMT
#89
Split matches are silly but if it makes them happy then whatever.

As for the new ranking stuff: We all like seeing stars play, but this is not exactly going to help things for the new guys. The top-ranked KeSPA players on any team aren't going to be new. Taking xprogamer's chances of making the MST from 24 spots to 8 is a huge leap in difficulty. I suppose that means the ones who make it through will actually be good, but I prefer to see more new up-and-comers rather than the same 15 "Yes we know these guys are good" all the time.

But that's not the big problem. Who does it really hurt? It hurts the secondary stars. Take a team like KHAN and let's pretend Stork and Jangbi aren't already seeded (who knows, they might not be next time around). Let's say Jangbi has a higher KeSPA ranking. He gets the free spot, but Stork has to play all the way through offlines. How does this make sense in any way, shape, or form?
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 30 2009 04:25 GMT
#90
Nooo don't ruin the BO5's.
Splitting it up cripples the intensity and mindgames involved D:
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13294 Posts
May 30 2009 04:37 GMT
#91
So in theory you could get someone from ACE who is maybe highest ranked in the team at #20 getting a spot and someone like Fantasy at #5 misses out because Bisu is ahead of him at #2 (don't know the actual rankings)?

Kinda seems dumb to me and will dilute the playing pool skill a bit.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 05:49:03
May 30 2009 05:43 GMT
#92
I find it funny that the OSL and GSL are both looked upon more favorably (on TL) than the MSL. Must be a middle-child thing or something.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 30 2009 06:04 GMT
#93
iLoveKTF stop fucking yelling at people
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Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 30 2009 06:46 GMT
#94
What the hell was wrong with the original format? Screw KeSPA.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 30 2009 06:47 GMT
#95
sorry. speaking of kespa, where they involved in any of this?
Woo Jung Ho
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
May 30 2009 07:29 GMT
#96
At least MBC comes out with some good Dramas =P

But to be serious this isn't too surprising to me at least, considering how they run Music Core compared to other traditional shows. And yeah Kinky I wonder the same thing... minus the screw KeSPA part... maybe ^^

Music Core's on btw... and this show's gonna be boring as heck -_-
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 08:09:12
May 30 2009 07:48 GMT
#97
On May 30 2009 10:08 iLoveKTF wrote:
PEOPLE LISTEN.

The split bo5 is only in the ro8. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.

Sorry, but this is the dumbest thing I've read on TL today (and believe me that is saying something).

+ Show Spoiler [hint] +
Jaedong-Fantasy was just an example of an epic Bo5 that would not have been nearly as epic if it was split. We mentioned it to illustrate how splitting Bo5s could preclude drama and excitement, not to suggest that if Fantasy and Jaedong met in the Finals of a MSL their series would be split.

Jesus, why didn't you take this pathetically flawed argument one step further and just say

The split bo5 is only in the MSL. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.


or

The split bo5 is only in future tournaments. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.


or, even better,

The split bo5 is only in tournaments that are not the Batoo OSL. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.
✌
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 30 2009 08:10 GMT
#98
OSL has split up bo5's and even bo3's that way for at least the last three tournaments...why complain now?

lol.
Hello
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-30 09:25:03
May 30 2009 09:15 GMT
#99
On May 30 2009 16:48 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2009 10:08 iLoveKTF wrote:
PEOPLE LISTEN.

The split bo5 is only in the ro8. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.

Sorry, but this is the dumbest thing I've read on TL today (and believe me that is saying something).

+ Show Spoiler [hint] +
Jaedong-Fantasy was just an example of an epic Bo5 that would not have been nearly as epic if it was split. We mentioned it to illustrate how splitting Bo5s could preclude drama and excitement, not to suggest that if Fantasy and Jaedong met in the Finals of a MSL their series would be split.

Jesus, why didn't you take this pathetically flawed argument one step further and just say

The split bo5 is only in the MSL. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.


or

The split bo5 is only in future tournaments. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.


or, even better,

The split bo5 is only in tournaments that are not the Batoo OSL. So the, "OMG NO MORE EPIC JAEDONG-FANTASY BULLSHIT" argument is not valid.

That is not even the point of what I was saying. My point was epic Bo5's in ro8 are very rare, like 1 of every 4 series every MSL. Specially now that the way ro8 bracketing will be done would make it a very good player vs a decent one.

Point: Its the ro8 ffs. Nobody remembers the ro8 except if it involved a really epic game and a legend (jangbi vs nada).

Also, the new ro8 style is 1 game this day and 4 games the next day. That barely removes any "drama and excitement" because you get to play 4 games in the 2nd day anyway. If you think there is too much drama lost in a bo5 where 1 game was played on a different day then you must be an overly dramatic person. Stop watching WWE.

edit: lol i reread your post and I realized I was pathetic to reply to it coz you didnt actually make any sense. But I understand, t1 fanboy + a t1 player being mentioned = broken fanboy heart.
Woo Jung Ho
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
May 30 2009 09:34 GMT
#100
On May 29 2009 14:25 p4NDemik wrote:
What is this crap? Seriously? Each team gets one free MST spot? Make them earn it.

Part of what makes championships special is knowing players had to endure the gauntlet that is the Offline Prelims. Take Luxury for example: he went from the Prelims all the way up to MSL champion. This is just some absolute garbage attempt to make KeSPA ranking relevant. Fuck that. This isn't American College Football and the BCS.


quoted for truth
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