right I am dumb

On the other hand, I still want them to get rid of Medusa. It's had like 300 games across all its various forms and I'm tired of it.

Getting rid of Destination would be cool too.

konadora

Singapore66363 Posts

May 22 2009 16:58 GMT

#46

On May 23 2009 01:57 Elyvilon wrote:

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right I am dumb

On the other hand, I still want them to get rid of Medusa. It's had like 300 games across all its various forms and I'm tired of it.

Getting rid of Destination would be cool too.

Yeah seriously, I'm getting tired of Destination being used everywhere. Unless great does another proxy hatchery.

sixghost

United States2096 Posts

May 22 2009 17:08 GMT

#47

Did anyone else notice that they changed Shades of Twilight a little? The 3rd used to be up a ramp and connected to the high ground with the nat. Now its in the same general spot but on the ground. It looks like they've made the ramp into the nat alot smaller as well

This is the old version from before PL R4

New version

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

May 22 2009 17:10 GMT

#48

looks like Byzantium to me.

konadora

Singapore66363 Posts

May 22 2009 17:12 GMT

#49

On May 23 2009 02:08 sixghost wrote:
Did anyone else notice that they changed Shades of Twilight a little? The 3rd used to be up a ramp and connected to the high ground with the nat. Now its in the same general spot but on the ground.

Yeah I just noticed.

Old Shades of Twilight:

New Shades of Twilight:

Notable changes:
- 3rd is now below the cliff
- 12, 3, 6 and 9 expos changed
- Ramps smaller

Ilikestarcraft

Korea (South)17743 Posts

May 22 2009 17:12 GMT

#50

On May 23 2009 01:58 konadora wrote:

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Yeah seriously, I'm getting tired of Destination being used everywhere. Unless great does another proxy hatchery.

im going to die if i have to ob another game of destination

Geo.Rion

7377 Posts

May 22 2009 17:16 GMT

#51

i shit my pants.
no proxy hatch?

WHY ON EARTH? It wasnt imba ffs, Bisu loses to it and it must be nerfed instantly

seppolevne

Canada1681 Posts

May 22 2009 17:17 GMT

#52

Damn I was hoping for Central Plains to take over for it.
Oh well, BR was a cool map that showed its potential in 1, maybe 2 games. Shame.

FirstBorn

Romania3955 Posts

May 22 2009 17:19 GMT

#53

On May 23 2009 01:18 BWdero wrote:

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Lame, I liked that strat.

Pretty cool, I hated it.

And yay, perhpas we'll see less zvz for a change.

JWD

United States12607 Posts

May 22 2009 17:19 GMT

#54

On May 23 2009 01:19 Mogwai wrote:
I really don't see why they needed to make proxy hatch impossible on Medusa, but I'm glad to see BR gone...

Agree - I don't see any reason this strategy is inherently "imbalanced". And since great used it on free and Bisu, I've been looking forward to how Protosses would respond to it if great or another Zerg tried it again. This is a lame change.

And I'm glad Battle Royal is gone, but it was sad to see in the map pool in the first place. Two seconds' examination is all any beginning SC player or fan would need to tell that Battle Royal would produce almost exclusively ZvZs...why the hell couldn't KeSPA figure this one out? It just seems like we haven't learned anything about Battle Royal that we didn't already know when it entered the map pool at the beginning of R4, which makes its original selection seem even dumber.

Gnojfatelob

Belgium216 Posts

May 22 2009 17:21 GMT

#55

On May 23 2009 01:21 Magic84 wrote:

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Yeah, it was something new and fun, not unbeatable. Protoss didn't want to adapt nor they had enough games to do so.

I remember enough zerg and terran bitching when toss was winning everything. I feel medusa is better now without proxy hatch, but with the other fixes.

Zozma

United States1626 Posts

May 22 2009 17:23 GMT

#56

What the hell, man. Will they be making 5-hatch hydra illegal next? It's just a strategy.

raga4ka

Bulgaria5679 Posts

May 22 2009 17:26 GMT

#57

Proxy hatch wasn't that imba even Much broke out in GOM . You just need a balanced army with goons and a few reavers .... i hate this protoss and terran can proxy their shit all over the map , but when a potential proxy hatch strategy is used it gets fucked , because protoss sucks . Its the most underused strategy in the game and they ban it .... its stupid imo . If protoss are scared of getting hatch'd they should use reaver with a combination of ground army as their main strategy . Just like zerg figured out that proxy hatch is a good strategy on this map toss should figure a counter , but why bother its easier to just get it banned by Kespa ...stupid . Kespa keeps surpassing its failures with every day coming .

Harem

United States11393 Posts

May 22 2009 17:26 GMT

#58

On May 23 2009 02:21 Gnojfatelob wrote:

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I remember enough zerg and terran bitching when toss was winning everything. I feel medusa is better now without proxy hatch, but with the other fixes.

Yeah, because Neo Medusa really fixed a majority of the problems that already existed in tvp/tvz.

Also, Gorush tried to proxy hatch Backho in OSL. Backho breaks out ez.

Backho > Bisu?!?!?!

integral

United States3161 Posts

May 22 2009 17:32 GMT

#59

On May 23 2009 01:26 konadora wrote:
NO

WHAT HAPPENED TO CENTRAL PLAINS =(

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Totally agree. I bet Bisu complained to KeSPA directly

rofl

uglymoose89

United States671 Posts

May 22 2009 17:40 GMT

#60

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On May 23 2009 02:12 konadora wrote:

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Yeah I just noticed.

Old Shades of Twilight:

New Shades of Twilight:

Notable changes:
- 3rd is now below the cliff
- 12, 3, 6 and 9 expos changed
- Ramps smaller

They also made the terrain unbuildable near the entrance below the natural. prolly to prevent the proxy hatches like neo medusa?

Agreed breaking out would be possible with a balanced army but the tosses don't want to change their strat. >.> is it me or is Kespa taking a larger and larger direct role in the outcome of games than ever before?