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On April 23 2009 05:06 wwooaa wrote:
Anyone remember the last MSL Group Selection when the had to compile which player is the the hardest to play/beat something like that and most of them said Horang2.. that dude is good, and will certainly be another great protoss, just like Bisu is/was
I think they said this because Horang2 used wicked cheese to qualify for the MSL in the first place (proxies, 14nex and DT rushes). 
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Flash, bisu and jaedong are and are going to be the best players until starcraft is gone. :D
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OMG 1 LOSS = SLUMP
JD, FLASH, AND BISU SUCK NOW
edit: seriously, do we need threads like this? It's going to be a while until the 'next generation' fully realizes itself
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On April 23 2009 05:01 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2009 03:46 scwizard wrote:
I never said that Jaedong et al weren't on the top, I said that they wouldn't be on the top forever, and now that they've hit a small bump, it's a good time to look at who will be the next to rise to the top. "A small bump"? Each of these guys lost one PL game (JD 2). You're reading way too much into the result of one set. If you want to have a discussion about the next generation of top gamers that's cool, but you don't have to sensationalize like this. Oh yeah, and here are my bets for this season of Starleagues:  Jaedong Bisu or  Flash
The last thing I want to do is sensationalize this. Let me go remove that comment.
As for whether someone losing to someone is "a small bump" or not? I think that's just a matter of semantics.
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On April 23 2009 05:40 Sunyveil wrote:
OMG 1 LOSS = SLUMP
JD, FLASH, AND BISU SUCK NOW
I never used the word slump. Also I keep saying that I'm not saying that JD, Flash and Bisu suck. Nothing could be further from the truth, these people are the top players. I don't know why you think I'm saying this, because I'm not.
On April 23 2009 05:40 Sunyveil wrote:
edit: seriously, do we need threads like this? It's going to be a while until the 'next generation' fully realizes itself
So do you think its possible to predict who those players are that will eventually full realize themselves?
If so, who do you think those players are?
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"personally can't picture any zerg ever losing to Jaedong,"
lol.
And Starcraft II is coming out so i'll hold my horses thinking to much about the future
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Ouch, did I say losing to. I meant winning against.
Or maybe I meant "Jaedong losing to any zerg", I don't know, but "winning against" is the most clear. I've changed the OP to say "I can't imagine any zerg winning against Jaedong"
I guess it's ok because people interpreted it the correct way. It's hard to even imagine someone saying something so stupid looking at Jaedong's record.
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On April 23 2009 04:06 ExSoldier wrote:
terran: skyhigh, baby (fantasy dont make it to my list b/c fantasy is oov's puppet.
It's called "coaching". Oov isn't the one sitting in the booth or making back-to-back finals. Fantasy doesn't just have potential, he's actually going toe-to-toe with the absolute best players and breaking even. He's improving at an incredible rate and he's still hungry for a gold.
Fantasy versus top players this year:
Jaedong: 3-3
Flash: 2-0
Bisu: 3-0
Jangbi: 0-2
Luxury: 2-2
(Yes I'm cherry picking. Point is, he's amazing and all the secret Oov tech in the world isn't worth jack unless you're really good at Starcraft, like Fantasy.)
edit: in response to the actual thread: agree with above quote that SkyHigh and Baby have potential. For zerg, Hero looks good. For all the hype, Effort still hasn't done anything with himself in terms of leagues, whereas Hero made semifinals in his first OSL (like Flash!), although he got massacred by Jaedong (whom I predict will be the ZvZ master for a LONG time, even after T's and P's catch up with him). For Protoss... I dunno, I'd say Backho and Rock will probably fuse into an Archon and kill everyone 
But probably the next sensation will be someone that nobody saw coming.
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Where did Jaedong 3-3 come from?
I know that at least Jaedong won 3 games in finals, and another game in proleauge where he used a queen or two.
I wouldn't say that Fantasy has "promise", he's beyond that point to the point where he's playing in OSL finals.
So what I'm saying is that this thread isn't really about Fantasy. Whether or not Fantasy will continue to dominate is just as out of scope ITT as whether or not Jaedong will continue to dominate.
I dunno, I'd say Backho and Rock will probably fuse into an Archon and kill everyone
lol, hilarious image there
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I think the last great generation will be Bisu/JD/Flash. I mean, since they came up, how many new players have really surfaced as "top players"? Bisu dethroned Savior way back in early 07. Jaedong rose to dominance when Bisu went into a temporary slump. Flash became a monster in the period shortly after that with the GSI and Bacchus. They have all had their ups and downs, but for the last year or so, all 3 players have been on top. I don't really see them going anywhere, either. New players may come out, but I don't see new players rising to the peaks of those 3 anytime soon.
But, as for rising stars, Skyhigh, Effort... I dunno if Jangbi or Best would be considered "new", but they is certainly "newer" than Bisu/Stork/etc.
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On April 23 2009 06:06 scwizard wrote:
Where did Jaedong 3-3 come from?
I know that at least Jaedong won 3 games in finals, and another game in proleauge where he used a queen or two.
I wouldn't say that Fantasy has "promise", he's beyond that point to the point where he's playing in OSL finals.
So what I'm saying is that this thread isn't really about Fantasy. Whether or not Fantasy will continue to dominate is just as out of scope ITT as whether or not Jaedong will continue to dominate.
Agreed on fantasy. But the reason he doesn't belong is not because he's Oov's puppet, that's a bullshit reason and that's what I was reacting to.
As for Jaedong 3-3, I just took all their games from this year. IIRC their all-time record favors Jaedong, but I had to start somewhere and since Fantasy is improving rapidly I figured I'd choose a recent date.
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Ahh, I see why people keep thinking that I'm saying that Flash/Bisu/Jaedong are going to fall soon, it's because the perception that SC2 is coming out soon.
The reason I didn't see that before, is because my personal belief is that SC2 is not coming out for another 2+ years, and the idea of Bisu dominating from early 2007 to early 2012 is hard to imagine given starcraft's history.
Apparently many don't share my beliefs about the release date of SC2. To helps clear away confusion, I'm going to add a cautionary "if there is to be another generation top players before the release of starcraft 2" to the OP.
EDIT: My comment about "who would you bet on for this season's starleagues" was meant to be more about "who would you bet on for rising above their previous status" than "who do you think is going to win"
But that's ambiguous so I removed that comment.
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Not enough Zero being mentioned. He did just make MSL semifinals and has many other strong wins on his record in the past few months.
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I have to agree that Zero is the man.
So is skyhigh.
I would say fantasy but hes already gotten 2 silvers soooo hes shown hes amazing.
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On April 23 2009 06:00 Djabanete wrote:For Protoss... I dunno, I'd say Backho and Rock will probably fuse into an Archon and kill everyone
I laughed out loud
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EPT
