EPTHave you heard of 'Emotional IQ' before
It is quite possible he is pre-pubescent in that regard.
Idra vs Strelok-Great Game And Fun! - Page 14
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AttackZerg
United States7637 Posts
Have you heard of 'Emotional IQ' before It is quite possible he is pre-pubescent in that regard. | ||
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
The scores at the end were really close, like kills and losses. Idra had a better score by a few thousand. The Rax block with the two tanks was epic. Idra was just a little too late with wraith defense. Cool rep. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On March 22 2009 02:48 Skyze wrote: Yes. Because he makes excuses and acts like an idiot, he deserves to get shit on. His lack of game-sense and overall lack of BW skill, is one thing, but we aren't picking on him for that, we are picking on him because of his bad manner. It just makes it more sweet that he gets so far ahead in a TvT, and STILL cant win vs "an inferior foreigner".. I repeat, if this was someone like Nony or Strelok, who might not be as good as the Bisu's and Flash's that we watch everyday, so we can clearly see their mistakes when watching Nony/Strelok, we wouldnt talk about them in a bad sense because they are MANNERED and dont make excuses for their loss, but rather they learn from their losses and respect all opponents, even if they aren't in korea. Idra just badmouths everyone and thinks hes so superior due to living in Korea, yet he has never been able to beat any foreigner in any showmatch since living in Korea to back up his big mouth. You see differences in play because you see completely different situations. Just because you see one thing happening doesn't mean you understand why or how the player is doing it, so you could be blatantly wrong in your belief because you are applying half-assed concepts to an unrelated game. Also your vicarious eye-for-an-eye morality is juvenile at best. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Everyone agrees that Idra is a bm bitch who can't take a loss, and reacts very badly to one...but I mean...then there are two camps that are arguing against each other: The one side that can't stand him for it, and the other that thinks it's funny and amusing and adds drama to the scene. I think his bm has gotten to an absurd level where I can't help but laugh it off...after all, it's not like I'm ever going to play him, so it hardly affects me personally. While it's disappointing, I think ppl spouting off and flaming really just need to get over it. Expectations are high because he's the only active foreigner in Korea, and the only one with a progaming license, but still...after a certain point, it's just better not to care. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On March 22 2009 04:12 Mooncat wrote: I can't believe how silly all the "you can't critisize him because he's a better player than you are" people in this thread are. Just - sorry - dumb as fuck. It's basically common knowledge that the above is a very silly argument. It doesn't even need any further explanation. Yet still many people still use it. I've seen ALL OF YOU critisize (real)pro-gamers once in a while. And those are waaayyy better than IdrA. Which btw. is a fact.(Just to add to all the talking about what's fact and what is not) Yet you want to prohibit people from critisizing IdrA's play? Wtf? For the record: I haven't even watched the game, nor have I anaylized it. This post is solely about the argument itself, not if the individual analyses of IdrA's play/mistakes vs. Strelok were correct or not. The argument is that your inferior understanding of the game makes most critiques you have meaningless to a player of a greater caliber, in THIS game. Other games/sports, there are exceptions. | ||
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Scooge
Iceland144 Posts
On March 22 2009 05:57 Moff wrote: Who cares if he swore on the internet, oh noes!  That's pretty weak. Idra is a professional StarCraft player. It's his job. You don't act like a douche while performing your job especially not in public for all to see. The nature of his job is that he's a representative for the brand CJ so it's even more important he not act like a jackass because it reflects badly on them. | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On March 22 2009 06:39 fanatacist wrote: The argument is that your inferior understanding of the game makes most critiques you have meaningless to a player of a greater caliber, in THIS game. Other games/sports, there are exceptions. See what I boldfaced, it means there are some exceptions. It is possible to see a mistake even if you would have made the mistake yourself, and criticize the person for it in a game like starcraft. Like just recently Bisu vs. Fantasy on RotK there was a wraith that was supposed to defend the Reaver harras but Fantasy didn't use it. Are you saying a n00b like me can't say "that was stupid Fantasy should have used that wraith." (Note: the wraith wasn't doing anything either so it was defiantly a mistake). I couldn't have defended as well as fantasy did, but that doesn't invalidate my criticism. I think you confuse criticize with insult, one is a comment the other is a put down. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On March 22 2009 06:59 Scooge wrote: That's pretty weak. Idra is a professional StarCraft player. It's his job. You don't act like a douche while performing your job especially not in public for all to see. The nature of his job is that he's a representative for the brand CJ so it's even more important he not act like a jackass because it reflects badly on them. Let's ignore the fact that to read the comments you have to know English, and go on this English website, and that to buy CJ merchandise you most likely have to live in Korea: Husband: Honey, let's buy some of this rice. Wife: No way! Husband: Why not? Wife: That's CJ brand rice! Some guy on their Entus team in StarCraftz got mad for losing a game, so he cursed at the other guy! Husband: But we all do it from time to time, what's the big deal? Wife: Well, obviously, since he is a public figure, his performance/behavior reflect the company's reputation, so their products must also be bad! Even I'm smart enough to know that his urchin antics have no effect whatsoever on the actual product itself, however. ^ I would kill myself if things actually worked like this in the proscene. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On March 22 2009 07:03 wswordsmen wrote: See what I boldfaced, it means there are some exceptions. It is possible to see a mistake even if you would have made the mistake yourself, and criticize the person for it in a game like starcraft. Like just recently Bisu vs. Fantasy on RotK there was a wraith that was supposed to defend the Reaver harras but Fantasy didn't use it. Are you saying a n00b like me can't say "that was stupid Fantasy should have used that wraith." (Note: the wraith wasn't doing anything either so it was defiantly a mistake). I couldn't have defended as well as fantasy did, but that doesn't invalidate my criticism. I think you confuse criticize with insult, one is a comment the other is a put down. Okay, now read this again: "your inferior understanding of the game makes most critiques you have meaningless to a player of a greater caliber" What criticism have you just made that is of any benefit to anyone? You just said that the sky is blue and that shit smells like shit. Congratulations, you pointed out an evident flaw in a player far superior to you, thus making you look like a nitpicking ass. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
He is the model of the 'kid who spent his life in a basement' image that people who play games have been trying to shrug off for 2 decades now. Pure gaming poison. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 22 2009 07:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: why is there 14 pages of this? ive been waiting on a mod to close this, it isnt going anywhere but to a troll fest | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On March 22 2009 06:19 FrozenArbiter wrote: IdrA is 19 (20?) not 5 -_- This is just my opinion, too lazy to find proofs for this. age = physical maturity age !=mental maturity Ability to think critically and make logical decisions in all situations = mental maturity | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
1.Let's suppose Idra is able to think and make logical decisions. 2.then logically he has to recognize his own hot temper, and big mouth. (1) 3. if can recognize his weakness, logically he can avoid scenarios in which he exposes these weaknesses. (example: train himself to stop opening mouth when enraged)(both 1,2) 4. he does not attempt to hide his weaknesses(bad manner) (fact) 5. which means that he is intentionally Bad mannering everyone he plays, since he is logically making the decision to be BM.(3 and 4) 6 Which means Idra's true intension is to alienate the foreign community and everybody that is not within his CJ team, and he does not care about what the foreign community thinks. (5) Is Idra immature or is he trying to alienate everybody? since he kept posting on teamliquid means he wants attention from teamliquid community, which also means he want acceptance from the foreigner community. Therefore in my opinion the theory of an immature idra is more logical than the theory of I don't give a shit about foreigner community | ||
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Khenra
Netherlands885 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On March 22 2009 06:39 fanatacist wrote: The argument is that your inferior understanding of the game makes most critiques you have meaningless to a player of a greater caliber, in THIS game. Other games/sports, there are exceptions. But that's wrong too. Just because someone is worse at playing it doesn't necessarily mean his understanding of the game is inferior. Otherwise you could fire most korean starcraft commentators. There's more to playing Starcraft than just an understanding of the game. APM, Reflexes, Multi-Tasking, on the spot thinking, management, control, etc. You name it. I'd argue that e.g. a lot of the teamliquid staff have an understanding of the game equal to a korean progamer even if they don't play as well as one. | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
On March 22 2009 07:30 arb wrote: ive been waiting on a mod to close this, it isnt going anywhere but to a troll fest I think this thread is awesome, idra-haters going mad and everyone else just laughing 8D | ||
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New Zealand6138 Posts
On March 22 2009 07:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: why is there 14 pages of this? lol | ||
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