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PaeZ
Profile Joined April 2005
Mexico1627 Posts
March 21 2009 18:03 GMT
#241
Dont be pissed about Idra's attitude, we all know he is like that, i would be surprised if he suddenly starts being good manner, people should stop flaming him because this isnt new and flame wars dont contribute anything to anyone.
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
March 21 2009 18:07 GMT
#242
This was very well done, OP. Thanks! You should do more.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
only_human89
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States212 Posts
March 21 2009 18:18 GMT
#243
idra sux, nyoken ftw
"You're a pathetic, jerk, loser, and I wouldn't kiss you if I had brain cancer and your lips were the cure" LOOOOL
yoshtodd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States418 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 18:40:03
March 21 2009 18:36 GMT
#244
I think the reason people get so mad is because Idra is "our" (non koreans) sole representative in the pro starcraft scene over there. His behavior is embarrassing and disgraceful and it reflects poorly on CJ, and the foreign starcraft scene. It's like if Yao Ming came over and acted like a totally arrogant, insulting dickhead in the NBA then I'm sure the Chinese people would be outraged and who could blame them? It wouldn't kill Idra to have just a little humility and respect. He doesn't seem capable of it though.
moo
I3oxerfan
Profile Joined January 2008
215 Posts
March 21 2009 18:37 GMT
#245
I watched the replay again.

And I would rather say that Idra lost the game than Strelok won it.


@ Idra. You played really bad.

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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
March 21 2009 19:05 GMT
#246
good game, and idra sucks
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
March 21 2009 19:12 GMT
#247
I can't believe how silly all the "you can't critisize him because he's a better player than you are" people in this thread are. Just - sorry - dumb as fuck. It's basically common knowledge that the above is a very silly argument. It doesn't even need any further explanation. Yet still many people still use it.

I've seen ALL OF YOU critisize (real)pro-gamers once in a while. And those are waaayyy better than IdrA. Which btw. is a fact.(Just to add to all the talking about what's fact and what is not) Yet you want to prohibit people from critisizing IdrA's play? Wtf?

For the record: I haven't even watched the game, nor have I anaylized it. This post is solely about the argument itself, not if the individual analyses of IdrA's play/mistakes vs. Strelok were correct or not.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
March 21 2009 19:13 GMT
#248
You guys do realize IdrA is completely owning the fuck out of you all in this thread right?

I've been on the IdrA flamewagons for w/e reason... it's old. Yeah he BMs. But it's like... why do people watch sports? Excitement. EVERY SPORT HAS A BMER. IdrA's like the T.O. of StarCraft.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
March 21 2009 19:18 GMT
#249
i really think they should kick out Idra in CJ Entus and put Strelok.....
Idra has BM and he sucks ass......
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
March 21 2009 19:32 GMT
#250
Give respect, get respect?
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shafiru
Profile Joined January 2009
111 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 19:38:20
March 21 2009 19:34 GMT
#251
When I said that people shouldn't criticize IdrA, I didn't mean you can never criticize him. I guess I worded that wrong.

Of course you can criticize somebody's play if you're a spectator. However, people in this thread were not only ignoring the main flaw IdrA had in this game (BM), and rather are criticizing the gameplay. It's totally fine to say, hey, he played like crap, isn't living up to the hype, etc.

However, we have retards that say stuff like + Show Spoiler +
wow idra is so bad it's astounding.

niteReload is actually trying to give him advice...really?

bengaliToss ftw...
shafiru
Profile Joined January 2009
111 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 19:38:40
March 21 2009 19:37 GMT
#252
However, I really dislike IdrA myself. His BM is really uncalled for, hes your typical super nerd, with plenty of nerd rage to spare.

However, I don't think people here are qualified to give him tips on how to play SC, it's almost funny when someone says shit like the following:


+ Show Spoiler +
I am very bad at TvT, but still I think the only initiative you did was that first attack where that mine hurt you.
Then he did something, you defended and responded. Then he does something again, you respond.

The rest of the game, even when strelok was still behind, you gave him room to breathe and come up with some weird shit to hurt you.

If I had your skills, I would use solid but aggresive builds against all foreigners. If he's the one who reacts, he can't surprise you, because he has to match your attacks with proper defense and reactions.

Instead, from what I've seen of you, you tend to let people have the initiative and trust in your ability to outnumber them in the end. Kinda like in poker, you go to showdown too often. You need more aggression IMO, on every street.

PUSH THEM AROUND MAN!

Also, playing bad players has improved my understanding of poker much more than playing vs good players. If you know something is wrong or inferior, you need to be as clear as possible in your head as to what to do to take advantage of that.

I'm trying to help you, so I hope you find at least something useful from what I say, coz I indeed may be talking stuff you already know.


He's trying to help your TvT IdrA, heed his words!!!!!!!!!!!!, it's not as if you have Korean teammates or coaches that can give you advice or anything.

Again, IdrA is a bm shit, but you look like an idiot when you try to give him tips on his gameplay.
bengaliToss ftw...
Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
March 21 2009 19:39 GMT
#253
Seriously question Idra:

Do your coaches know you're this bad mannered? The only reason CJ houses a foreigner is for the free press since you have no chance of every contributing to their team in the proleagues or getting them large exposure by winning a solo league. That free press has turned into bad press. I'm really curious how they feel about the way you conduct yourself online because you represent the CJ Entus brand to the foreign community.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
March 21 2009 19:49 GMT
#254
Idra -_-
comon man...
TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
March 21 2009 20:07 GMT
#255
Idra should behave well, if he wants to stay in CJ.
It's a Game Idra, a Game that you are not as good as NaDa or other Koreans.
You will never be as good as them, if you don't change your character traits.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 21 2009 20:46 GMT
#256
On March 22 2009 02:48 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 01:56 fanatacist wrote:
On March 22 2009 01:39 Skyze wrote:
The reason I think its ok to critisize idra is because it seems every game vs any foreigner, he is always like "Theres no way they can win, the Koreans I play against are 3 years ahead of them, they are not good enough to even be in Korea like me" and stuff like that.. then he gets totally OWNED and says" omg you cheated, you didnt do the standard korea 3hatch muta" or something.. Everytime, like Strelok, didnt he say something like Strelok was a shitty terran.. and then he gets owned and says he got lucky (after being SO far ahead in the game and still lost in a MIRROR?)

That is why people should be allowed to critisize idra.. His mouth. People in proleagues who lose because of poor play, but keep their mouth shut, its hard to critisize them because even though we could tell what they did wrong in the game, at least they probably realize how they messed up also, and it was one of those under-pressure moments on TV, or they just aren't at the level of the Flash's and Bisus yet.. Idra, any sign of a loss and he just goes "OMG YOU CHEATED, THAT STRAT WAS FROM 3 YEARS AGO! NOT FAIR!", He never takes resposibility for his loss, which is why we can pick him apart. If he didnt talk shit, and lost to strelok and f91 and all these players, No one would care and they would just say GG, try better nexttime.

btw, Anyone else but me think it would be SUPER entertaining to see Idra vs FBH on a TV match, Idra getting owned and then FBH doing one of those epic celebration dances right in his face?? I think justice would be served then.

Unfortunately his manner in the game has nothing to do with discussing his strategic/tactical choices, so basically what you're saying is "becuz he makes an excuse and says koreans r betr than foren pros, we can b dooshes to him LOL."


Yes. Because he makes excuses and acts like an idiot, he deserves to get shit on. His lack of game-sense and overall lack of BW skill, is one thing, but we aren't picking on him for that, we are picking on him because of his bad manner. It just makes it more sweet that he gets so far ahead in a TvT, and STILL cant win vs "an inferior foreigner"..

I repeat, if this was someone like Nony or Strelok, who might not be as good as the Bisu's and Flash's that we watch everyday, so we can clearly see their mistakes when watching Nony/Strelok, we wouldnt talk about them in a bad sense because they are MANNERED and dont make excuses for their loss, but rather they learn from their losses and respect all opponents, even if they aren't in korea. Idra just badmouths everyone and thinks hes so superior due to living in Korea, yet he has never been able to beat any foreigner in any showmatch since living in Korea to back up his big mouth.

When you typed that did you read the fucking thread first?

Or miss the school of idiots who say he is terrible?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Moff
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom166 Posts
March 21 2009 20:57 GMT
#257
do you really think they're going to kick a player, after some random guy claims he was BM, get some brains pls.

Idra should behave well, if he wants to stay in CJ.


yeah because they totally know it's him right?

I'm really curious how they feel about the way you conduct yourself online because you represent the CJ Entus brand to the foreign community.



Who cares if he swore on the internet, oh noes!

I also hate this "lol you play 10 hours a day you're a nerd" crap, you all play an ancient RTS and fap over progamers, so you're all just as bad

ps;willing to bet half the people in this thread are from gg.net wanting to insult IdrA like always

allso lol

However, I really dislike IdrA myself. His BM is really uncalled for, hes your typical super nerd, with plenty of nerd rage to spare.

Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 21:15:27
March 21 2009 21:05 GMT
#258
On March 22 2009 05:46 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 02:48 Skyze wrote:
On March 22 2009 01:56 fanatacist wrote:
On March 22 2009 01:39 Skyze wrote:
The reason I think its ok to critisize idra is because it seems every game vs any foreigner, he is always like "Theres no way they can win, the Koreans I play against are 3 years ahead of them, they are not good enough to even be in Korea like me" and stuff like that.. then he gets totally OWNED and says" omg you cheated, you didnt do the standard korea 3hatch muta" or something.. Everytime, like Strelok, didnt he say something like Strelok was a shitty terran.. and then he gets owned and says he got lucky (after being SO far ahead in the game and still lost in a MIRROR?)

That is why people should be allowed to critisize idra.. His mouth. People in proleagues who lose because of poor play, but keep their mouth shut, its hard to critisize them because even though we could tell what they did wrong in the game, at least they probably realize how they messed up also, and it was one of those under-pressure moments on TV, or they just aren't at the level of the Flash's and Bisus yet.. Idra, any sign of a loss and he just goes "OMG YOU CHEATED, THAT STRAT WAS FROM 3 YEARS AGO! NOT FAIR!", He never takes resposibility for his loss, which is why we can pick him apart. If he didnt talk shit, and lost to strelok and f91 and all these players, No one would care and they would just say GG, try better nexttime.

btw, Anyone else but me think it would be SUPER entertaining to see Idra vs FBH on a TV match, Idra getting owned and then FBH doing one of those epic celebration dances right in his face?? I think justice would be served then.

Unfortunately his manner in the game has nothing to do with discussing his strategic/tactical choices, so basically what you're saying is "becuz he makes an excuse and says koreans r betr than foren pros, we can b dooshes to him LOL."


Yes. Because he makes excuses and acts like an idiot, he deserves to get shit on. His lack of game-sense and overall lack of BW skill, is one thing, but we aren't picking on him for that, we are picking on him because of his bad manner. It just makes it more sweet that he gets so far ahead in a TvT, and STILL cant win vs "an inferior foreigner"..

I repeat, if this was someone like Nony or Strelok, who might not be as good as the Bisu's and Flash's that we watch everyday, so we can clearly see their mistakes when watching Nony/Strelok, we wouldnt talk about them in a bad sense because they are MANNERED and dont make excuses for their loss, but rather they learn from their losses and respect all opponents, even if they aren't in korea. Idra just badmouths everyone and thinks hes so superior due to living in Korea, yet he has never been able to beat any foreigner in any showmatch since living in Korea to back up his big mouth.

When you typed that did you read the fucking thread first?

Or miss the school of idiots who say he is terrible?

For a foreigner he is good but for a pro he is meh at best. sucks.
I don't really hate him ( although i always enjoy his losses because he goes mad ) and sometimes he even makes me laugh but i will also laugh a lot if he is kicked out of the team because of lack of skill / bad manners.
:D
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
LostDevil
Profile Joined March 2005
Fiji283 Posts
March 21 2009 21:17 GMT
#259
Who cares. It's funny and worth a laugh while talking to your buddies on iccup but not worth this huge thread ripping on him. He was a dick and Strelok handled the situation perfectly by refusing to play him anymore. If more players end up doing the same then he will correct his behavior. You are doing nothing by bitching on the forums about it because players that are good don't really care what their pseudo forum fans think all of the time no matter how much the fanboys here would like to think they do.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 21 2009 21:19 GMT
#260
On March 22 2009 01:32 rei wrote:
It is not a big deal, Idra just can't control his emotion well yet, he will grow out of it. People who take any opportunity to flame Idra are just as immature. Idra himself knows this as well, he just couldn't help his emotion outbrusts when his mood is bad. I'm sure everybody have had bad days like that. Strelok also understand this, as why he was not effected by the BM and just laugh it off.

And stop flaming Idra's play, everybody started flaming Idra after the beating he took from F91, just remember F91 almost took out stork in a best of 3 when stork was on top of his game, there is a huge gap in skill between F91 and Idra base on their achievement. There is no shame in losing to F91, you guys should praise him for taking 2 games from F91 instead.

IdrA is 19 (20?) not 5 -_-
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