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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:22 hauton wrote: As for Flash's wrists - lets just say that they at least have hope for a cure. Bisu not making it to an OSL final in nearly 4 years? Sounds more like terminal. Bisu has never made it to an OSL final. | ||
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hauton
Hong Kong743 Posts
bronze -> silver | ||
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Trajan98
Canada203 Posts
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ePBuckets
Canada207 Posts
beating flash? maybe an update to the OP is warranted. *cough* hotbid! | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 20 2011 04:57 ePBuckets wrote: isn't bisu #1 ELO right now? beating flash? maybe an update to the OP is warranted. *cough* hotbid! this is about peaks, not current. | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:03 Legatus Lanius wrote: isnt is because elo takes into account streaks? No. It's because your ELO is compared to those you play, and Flash probably played those who are strong vs T but aren't as strong overall, so he took less of a hit in losses / gained more in wins in his respective matchups than he did overall. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: Also Bisu completely shitted himself incredibly early in both leagues to the point where his Elo was hardly affected. It's probably the most misleading elo #1 ever. (when was the last time the #1 Elo player wasn't even a factor in both tournaments?) Bombing out in prelims doesn't hurt your Elo ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif) | ||
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henzi
United States200 Posts
I think that's the point, your elo is determined by the games you play, bombing out of both leagues early means your elo will remain stagnant cause only pro league games would count, so that is like 3 games every two weeks. So its not really a true #1 elo | ||
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darkemperor
Turkey725 Posts
also bisu is too cool for OSL.. MSL is where it's at. DAT BISU. | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
On June 20 2011 07:15 darkemperor wrote: finally #1 again! haha flash :D also bisu is too cool for OSL.. MSL is where it's at. DAT BISU. He didn't get past the group stages in the last MSL either. Flash kicked him out btw. Oh, and he won the whole thing. | ||
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darkemperor
Turkey725 Posts
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Ermac
336 Posts
On June 20 2011 07:37 darkemperor wrote: meh bisu just let him catch up. Catch up to what exactly...? | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On June 20 2011 01:16 Scaramanga wrote: I don't understand how you can be this silly, go and look at the results and standings of the current osl What does that have to do with Bisu not even being in it? | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: Also Bisu completely shitted himself incredibly early in both leagues to the point where his Elo was hardly affected. It's probably the most misleading elo #1 ever. (when was the last time the #1 Elo player wasn't even a factor in both tournaments?) This is a good thing, not a bad thing. ELO is unbiased, so we get true picture of players competitive abilities, not the subjective opinion people themselves tend to form due to weighing of matches. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 20 2011 07:56 xarthaz wrote: This is a good thing, not a bad thing. ELO is unbiased, so we get true picture of players competitive abilities, not the subjective opinion people themselves tend to form due to weighing of matches. The only reason we don't count preliminaries is because players play so many matches in such a short time and it would inflate Elo. There's absolutely no other reason considering they are legitimate games against legitimate opponents to proceed in the most important tournament -- there is nothing subjective about this, you must pass prelims to get to the ro16 where the matches count, why don't the prelims count when everyone involved is there legitimately? Bisu is clearly not the #1 player which is the first time I can say that about the Elo #1 -- partly because no #1 elo player has ever lost in prelims before, typically they perform to a higher standard. | ||
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Azure Sky
United States52 Posts
Okay I found it. Here it is in Hot Bid's spoiler: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=90559 | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:25 TwoToneTerran wrote: The only reason we don't count preliminaries is because players play so many matches in such a short time and it would inflate Elo. There's absolutely no other reason considering they are legitimate games against legitimate opponents to proceed in the most important tournament -- there is nothing subjective about this, you must pass prelims to get to the ro16 where the matches count, why don't the prelims count when everyone involved is there legitimately? Bisu is clearly not the #1 player which is the first time I can say that about the Elo #1 -- partly because no #1 elo player has ever lost in prelims before, typically they perform to a higher standard. Savior? He lost in 4 OSL prelims in a row, not sure how the ELO ranks was back then, but I am pretty sure he was #1 when he dropped out of at least one of those prelims. | ||
Jonvvv
Norway1530 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:54 Oystein wrote: Savior? He lost in 4 OSL prelims in a row, not sure how the ELO ranks was back then, but I am pretty sure he was #1 when he dropped out of at least one of those prelims. Also Jaedong in the Incruit OSL prelims. Not sure if he was #1, but he was up there. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:54 Oystein wrote: Savior? He lost in 4 OSL prelims in a row, not sure how the ELO ranks was back then, but I am pretty sure he was #1 when he dropped out of at least one of those prelims. Yes, and now tell me how well Savior did in the MSL in every one of those seasons and compare it to Bisu for the past year. Bisu's failures are twofold to an extent that no other #1 elo player has been (Elo on TL was implemented after Savior's dominance, I believe, but he most probably would've been #1, too), and that's where my argument lies. There's an abundance of players who had #1 elo while only doing well in one league, the only time I can think of someone being disappointing in both and still being #1 was Flash last season, and that was because he was previously the all time leader by an unbelievable margin, and he atleast took hits to his elo for both loses. Bisu's Elo is misleading, period. | ||
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