• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:40
CEST 17:40
KST 00:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Pros React To: ASL S21 Finals BW General Discussion Very long shot - StarCraft x A7X video Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light vespene.gg — BW replays in browser
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development streaming software
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2124 users

The New Team Micro Melee Topic - Page 17

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 20 Next All
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-24 01:09:05
December 24 2008 01:07 GMT
#321
Actually, on second thought, DA's should be removed altogether imho. There are more skillful ways to dealing with, say, muta harass (ensnare + storm), and a hero shouldn't be a handicap against the other team (which it feels like when you are tier 1 and everytime you engage the other microer you get mael'd). Basically, a DA is a free ticket for more points, and I disagree with a hero being used for that (as in, a kerri needs a good storm placement to get your points, and when you use DTs you have to know where you can attack without being detected immediately, etc.. but with a DA, you are rendering the other person's bio units absolutely vulnerable for free points, they can't retreat, they can't fight back, anything). At least with stasis you're not giving the other team points.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
December 24 2008 03:55 GMT
#322
Merry Christmas everyone! Here's my Christmas gift to you.

http://www.freewebs.com/bill307/tmm/Team Micro Melee AG 1.22.scx

Changes from 1.21:
- DA hero reduced to 2 DAs with 150 mana each from 3 DAs with 250 mana each.
- Devourers reduced to 4 from 5.
- Kerrigan's attack upgrade increased from +5 to +10. With +20 (70 dmg), she can kill lurkers and goliaths in 2 hits instead of 3, armour-upgraded SCVs in 1 hit instead of 2, etc.
- Zeratul's attack upgrade increased from +10 to +15. With +30 (130 dmg), he can kill lurkers and goliaths in 1 hit instead of 2.
- Stukov's HP increased from 120 to 300.
- Stukov's attack upgrade increased to +6 from +2. With +12 (32 dmg), four Stukovs can 1-hit-kill mutalisks with up to +2 armour.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
December 25 2008 04:57 GMT
#323
does anybody want to play right now?

i can't host. ;;
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
December 25 2008 05:02 GMT
#324
On December 25 2008 13:57 goldenkrnboi wrote:
does anybody want to play right now?

i can't host. ;;


I'll play in 10.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 05:37:37
December 25 2008 05:03 GMT
#325
well shit. nevermind.

my cd-key just got disabled somehow. wtf.

unless you want to host on iccup. i'll see if that works.

edit: yup. iccup works. can't go on bnet thought. :[

edit2: um. what the fuck. i keep losing my connection on iccup. fuck it. i'm reinstalling.


reinstalling success. it works fine now.
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
December 26 2008 08:29 GMT
#326
anyone for tmm?
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 10:15:35
December 30 2008 10:11 GMT
#327
I've figured out why map makers (such as the guys who maintain DotA) tend to make new units overpowered: it's because that way everyone chooses them, and the map makers get to see how useful those units really are, and then adjust their balance to be appropriate in the next patch.

E.g. right now, I don't know whether Stukov is overpowered, underpowered, or just right, because almost no one chooses him as a bonus. Alternatively, I could intentionally make him overpowered (i.e. intentionally make the map less balanced), which would allow me to find out very quickly how useful he really is. I have to say, the latter route sounds much more appealing.


Actually, Stukov x4 with backup will beat ALL the tier 1 unit choices: the only large units -- the dragoons -- can be locked down, and everything else takes either 40 or 80 damage per volley from the 4 heroes.

Right now, I'm thinking of either raising his attack power by ~20-25%, and/or raising his armour from 1 to 2. Not to make him overpowered, but to make him hopefully-balanced.
patrick321
Profile Joined August 2004
United States185 Posts
December 30 2008 11:00 GMT
#328
I haven't been playing much recently but they probably weren't used a lot before because of the abundance of DA's. Four ghosts were basically free experience waiting to be maelstromed. Also, since nearly every small unit is biological the DA's were better support anyway.

And in case you forgot, hydras take 60 damage because they're medium sized.
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
January 02 2009 00:07 GMT
#329
Anyone for TMM? Go op tl-west gogogogogogo
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
January 03 2009 03:48 GMT
#330
On December 30 2008 20:00 patrick321 wrote:
I haven't been playing much recently but they probably weren't used a lot before because of the abundance of DA's. Four ghosts were basically free experience waiting to be maelstromed. Also, since nearly every small unit is biological the DA's were better support anyway.

And in case you forgot, hydras take 60 damage because they're medium sized.

Concussive deals 50% to medium and 25% to large.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
January 05 2009 02:26 GMT
#331
We are amassing TMMers.

op tl-west
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 06:32:36
January 05 2009 06:32 GMT
#332
Okay, I am really REALLY considering making the builder's points go to the microers, or giving them significantly more resources than they currently do. (Or make it a choice via a selector.)

I think that's the only way to make offensive builder strategies pay off.

(Also, note to self: fix the comsat bonus text that says you get 3 comsats when you actually get 2, now.)
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
January 05 2009 06:35 GMT
#333
Bill lets play where the hell are you =(
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
January 09 2009 06:27 GMT
#334
I just finished TMM AG 2.0, where the builders get to decide whether to convert their points into resources (20 pts = 2 mins 1 gas now, whereas before it was 30 pts = 2 mins 1 gas) or give their points to the microers (distributed evenly).

I just need to check a couple of things tonight before I'll upload it here.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
January 09 2009 08:10 GMT
#335
Team Micro Melee AG 2.1

Builders can use the zealots to the left of the comsats to choose whether their points are split between the microers, or are converted into resources (20 pts = 2 mins 1 gas).

The new level-up points are at 10k, 25k, 80k, 160k, 280k, 400k, 500k, then every 100k.
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
January 11 2009 01:50 GMT
#336
We have 4 at the moment, anyone for tmm?!?!?! GOGOOGO
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-11 02:49:52
January 11 2009 02:46 GMT
#337
Bah.. back to the dreaded 1.16 :O
or .. not ;hr late :o
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
March 08 2009 06:46 GMT
#338
HEY GUIZ LETS PLAY TMM? K op tl-west
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-08 07:04:34
March 08 2009 06:53 GMT
#339
If you guys ever play TMM version NL msg me and I'll play. I don't like these AG versions though
I'll even trade off and play a game of your crappy TMM if you play a game of good TMM first :D
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
March 08 2009 09:13 GMT
#340
This is the version we're using btw:

http://www.freewebs.com/bill307/tmm/Team Micro Melee AG 2.2.scx

Feels like the builder has a lot more freedom, now.
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Warm Up Cup #2
uThermal416
SteadfastSC105
IndyStarCraft 83
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 416
mouzHeroMarine 210
Ryung 193
SteadfastSC 105
IndyStarCraft 83
ProTech67
trigger 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44794
Calm 3856
Mini 596
ggaemo 144
Hyun 79
actioN 72
Rush 70
Free 38
Pusan 38
Sacsri 28
[ Show more ]
Terrorterran 25
910 24
Hm[arnc] 20
Movie 19
Rock 19
IntoTheRainbow 13
Sexy 13
soO 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
Gorgc8284
qojqva1529
BananaSlamJamma78
canceldota43
Counter-Strike
fl0m758
allub221
adren_tv61
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor76
Other Games
singsing2175
hiko830
B2W.Neo786
Liquid`RaSZi738
Lowko556
Dendi495
Beastyqt457
DeMusliM249
Liquid`VortiX102
KnowMe94
QueenE86
Mew2King69
ArmadaUGS66
Trikslyr25
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL354
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 108
• poizon28 19
• HeavenSC 11
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 40
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1436
• lizZardDota249
League of Legends
• Nemesis4689
• TFBlade1043
Other Games
• WagamamaTV311
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 20m
GSL
17h 50m
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
WardiTV Spring Champion…
20h 20m
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
OSC
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Maestros of the Game
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
2 days
IPSL
3 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
IPSL
4 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.