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On August 23 2008 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 04:19 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:12 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 03:59 Gaetele wrote:On August 23 2008 03:43 Chill wrote:On August 23 2008 03:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 03:17 pooper-scooper wrote:
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You are a very angry young man.
Leveling accuasations at every person who dares to disagree with you. You are clearly not interested in having a discussion, you are just interested in bitching. I think that this particular bitching session would be more appropriate as a blog.
I don't suppose that you could take a step back from your hubris to aknowledge that as a C level zerg you might not know everything about the game, and that there might be a flaw in your game. No I suppose that is too much to hope for.
ZvP may be imbalance, lord if I know, but I do know that you are uninterested in any real discussion on the matter.
Enjoy flaming me.
Angry? I haven't attacked anyone, I've just been smarmy. You shouldn't be so quick to analyze the emotional make-up of everyone you meet. That's really obnoxious. Chillin' is what you should do, kid, because you're about to get banned for trolling. As for Gatele, you're out of your mind man. You haven't cited anything from outside of the game. You should spend time maxin' your APM and strategy, instead of wasting your time crying. I do think it's actually kind of relaxin' to see all the people finally standing up and saying that PvZ is balanced. It is truly funny to see all the newbies come out of the woodwork to start complaining; I mean. although I actually find it really cool that there are so many differing opinions, only the "balanced" ones bring logical facts. On August 23 2008 03:25 AttackZerg wrote:
Zerg has been pretty then protoss FOREVER.
Julyzerg
Jaedong
Savior
Each in there prime embarrasses the best(lol Best) protoss routinely, even would be contenders.
Julyzerg makes every toss look stupid nearly every game ....
Jaedong makes mid-game ZvP look like Toss never has a chance.(two of his championships were agains P)
Savior has the highest Elo peak of all time in ZvP.
The cool thing about BW, is that below the top levels, protoss is fucking awesome and balanced. And on a very very low level even dominate. Why not find 2 or 3 of your most terrible ZvP defeats.... take a notepad, watch the rep, take notes on things you could improve, Post the replays + notes in the strategy forum and begin something productive ....Whinning rarely helps win ZvP ..... I've tried.
And facts like this are what makes this argument impossible. We're talking about the D foreigner level, all the facts about the fucking ZvP Bonjwa are useless. I'm starting to consider that some people are shootin' for a flame war, I don't know, but why are you brining these facts in? Can we go back and talk some about the fundamentals of the game? We can compare this to examining the highest level of b-ball; you wouldn't start copying Shaq because you can't play at his level. Well, looking at people outside of Korea you quickly we can't play at Savior, Jaedong or JulyZerg's levels. I mean, some people of considerable talent can do some moves like them. I think foreigners still really cannot come close to the complete package. Now, I think a good idea is to go back to basic: Seriously, can we follow my school of thought and start examining the game, not the players? When will people stop patronizing me? Calling me newbie and everything. It's just ridiculous. I can't be a C level if I were totally newb. I think I've made my point pretty clearly in this thread. Just go play a couple of games and you would understand where I'm coming from. If people would stop citing the level of skill of progamers then we could get to the real problem - balance. Guys that you pull off the street could probably sit down to a computer and play Protoss in SC. Boxer, who is great at Terran, started Protoss because it was the easiest. This won't reach a conclusion if it were up to Blizzard's developers. I'm not hired as a game designer, but I think that if it were completely up to me, I would just remove High Templars and Corsairs from the game. Unfortunately, it looks like, to the Blizzard developers, they don't listen to the community. No company should just blatantly disregard the problems in front of them. Not to say that Blizzard isn't good, but look at how much whining there is on the WoW forums. Every single thread created there is started fine, but I never see a blue post about anything meaningful. Making a good, balanced game requires input from the community, and I don't think it should be a trouble for Blizzard to do so. All they really have to do at the end of the day is to tweak some numbers in the code and then remove some and it'll be fine. My main problem is with threads like this - people always feel the need to argue back and forth. In the neighborhood of TeamLiquid, all the houses would be throwing flaming napalm at each other. Flame on! Haha nubcakes. Boxer switched to Terran because they nerfed Reavers so they weren't as good anymore. Saying he played them because they were easiest is an insult to Boxer. I guess you hate Boxer, because he just said he played them because he liked Reavers. I guess you're terrible at PvZ if you think Sairs and Temps need to be removed to make it balanced. BoxeR switched to Terran because he isn't smart enough to realize how fucking imba Protoss is. BoxeR fanboys are stupid. He was creative, but never that good. I agree with Plexas topic. He should quit, he's just embarassing himself. BoxeR can have sex with any girl living in Korea he wants, is a millionaire, and still makes money even though he loses games. He loves the game, so he still plays it. I'm pretty sure he can rape any foreigner, and still wins a fair portion of his games. So when you start making hundreds of thousands a year by winning 30% of the games you play, and having a fan club with 500,000 people, you can start criticizing him. Until then STFU Now where's Rekrul when you need him... So I need to be as popular as Boxer to criticize him? He's not some god among men, he's just a fucking progamer. He could probably have sex with any of you fanboy faggots if he wanted too. Jesus. Jealous much? I just think you should be at least 1% as talented at anything as Boxer is at life and StarCraft. YEAH IM SO JEALOUS. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I COULD EVER THINK BOXER IS ANYTHING LESS THAN PERFECT OMG Good logic. Go back to Middle School.
I didn't say Boxer was perfect, I said he was successful at pretty much everything. Maybe if you graduated middle school you wouldn't use such asinine rhetorical techniques to hide the fact that your argument doesn't even exist.
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On August 23 2008 04:08 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 03:59 Gaetele wrote:On August 23 2008 03:43 Chill wrote:On August 23 2008 03:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 03:17 pooper-scooper wrote:On August 23 2008 03:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 03:07 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote:
yeah, seriously, if you're losing to D- level protosses, then you are not a C level zerg. Period. I'm a C- level protoss and PvZ guessing his tech is hard as shit expecially when he copies the koreans and gest both spire and hydra den. Double Den Hydra break or Mutalisks. For protoss, if you guess wrong (or if you're a good player, you didn't scout it out completely) you are completely fucked. Gamer-ender style. If you're zerg, you know wha the's making. There's no need to guess anything other than maybe dt/sair or reaver sair, neither of which is a game ender. There's no need to bitch about ZvP.
On another note. Fuck, TvP is dumb. All these protosses that I would stomp in pvp just own me so hard in tvp. ^^;; I guess I just suck at terran. Who cares? Either way go sair reaver, and if your A key is attached you should win every time. You are a very angry young man. Leveling accuasations at every person who dares to disagree with you. You are clearly not interested in having a discussion, you are just interested in bitching. I think that this particular bitching session would be more appropriate as a blog. I don't suppose that you could take a step back from your hubris to aknowledge that as a C level zerg you might not know everything about the game, and that there might be a flaw in your game. No I suppose that is too much to hope for. ZvP may be imbalance, lord if I know, but I do know that you are uninterested in any real discussion on the matter. Enjoy flaming me. Angry? I haven't attacked anyone, I've just been smarmy. You shouldn't be so quick to analyze the emotional make-up of everyone you meet. That's really obnoxious. Chillin' is what you should do, kid, because you're about to get banned for trolling. As for Gatele, you're out of your mind man. You haven't cited anything from outside of the game. You should spend time maxin' your APM and strategy, instead of wasting your time crying. I do think it's actually kind of relaxin' to see all the people finally standing up and saying that PvZ is balanced. It is truly funny to see all the newbies come out of the woodwork to start complaining; I mean. although I actually find it really cool that there are so many differing opinions, only the "balanced" ones bring logical facts. On August 23 2008 03:25 AttackZerg wrote:
Zerg has been pretty then protoss FOREVER.
Julyzerg
Jaedong
Savior
Each in there prime embarrasses the best(lol Best) protoss routinely, even would be contenders.
Julyzerg makes every toss look stupid nearly every game ....
Jaedong makes mid-game ZvP look like Toss never has a chance.(two of his championships were agains P)
Savior has the highest Elo peak of all time in ZvP.
The cool thing about BW, is that below the top levels, protoss is fucking awesome and balanced. And on a very very low level even dominate. Why not find 2 or 3 of your most terrible ZvP defeats.... take a notepad, watch the rep, take notes on things you could improve, Post the replays + notes in the strategy forum and begin something productive ....Whinning rarely helps win ZvP ..... I've tried.
And facts like this are what makes this argument impossible. We're talking about the D foreigner level, all the facts about the fucking ZvP Bonjwa are useless. I'm starting to consider that some people are shootin' for a flame war, I don't know, but why are you brining these facts in? Can we go back and talk some about the fundamentals of the game? We can compare this to examining the highest level of b-ball; you wouldn't start copying Shaq because you can't play at his level. Well, looking at people outside of Korea you quickly we can't play at Savior, Jaedong or JulyZerg's levels. I mean, some people of considerable talent can do some moves like them. I think foreigners still really cannot come close to the complete package. Now, I think a good idea is to go back to basic: Seriously, can we follow my school of thought and start examining the game, not the players? When will people stop patronizing me? Calling me newbie and everything. It's just ridiculous. I can't be a C level if I were totally newb. I think I've made my point pretty clearly in this thread. Just go play a couple of games and you would understand where I'm coming from. If people would stop citing the level of skill of progamers then we could get to the real problem - balance. Guys that you pull off the street could probably sit down to a computer and play Protoss in SC. Boxer, who is great at Terran, started Protoss because it was the easiest. This won't reach a conclusion if it were up to Blizzard's developers. I'm not hired as a game designer, but I think that if it were completely up to me, I would just remove High Templars and Corsairs from the game. Unfortunately, it looks like, to the Blizzard developers, they don't listen to the community. No company should just blatantly disregard the problems in front of them. Not to say that Blizzard isn't good, but look at how much whining there is on the WoW forums. Every single thread created there is started fine, but I never see a blue post about anything meaningful. Making a good, balanced game requires input from the community, and I don't think it should be a trouble for Blizzard to do so. All they really have to do at the end of the day is to tweak some numbers in the code and then remove some and it'll be fine. My main problem is with threads like this - people always feel the need to argue back and forth. In the neighborhood of TeamLiquid, all the houses would be throwing flaming napalm at each other. Flame on! Great suggestions. I'd also remove zealots, reavers, dts and goons. Those units are just imba.
No, he wants it to be more balanced. Remove probes from the game. Those damn probe rushes are so imba. ^^
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On August 23 2008 04:24 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:19 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:12 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 03:59 Gaetele wrote:On August 23 2008 03:43 Chill wrote:On August 23 2008 03:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Angry? I haven't attacked anyone, I've just been smarmy.
You shouldn't be so quick to analyze the emotional make-up of everyone you meet. That's really obnoxious. Chillin' is what you should do, kid, because you're about to get banned for trolling. As for Gatele, you're out of your mind man. You haven't cited anything from outside of the game. You should spend time maxin' your APM and strategy, instead of wasting your time crying. I do think it's actually kind of relaxin' to see all the people finally standing up and saying that PvZ is balanced. It is truly funny to see all the newbies come out of the woodwork to start complaining; I mean. although I actually find it really cool that there are so many differing opinions, only the "balanced" ones bring logical facts. On August 23 2008 03:25 AttackZerg wrote:
Zerg has been pretty then protoss FOREVER.
Julyzerg
Jaedong
Savior
Each in there prime embarrasses the best(lol Best) protoss routinely, even would be contenders.
Julyzerg makes every toss look stupid nearly every game ....
Jaedong makes mid-game ZvP look like Toss never has a chance.(two of his championships were agains P)
Savior has the highest Elo peak of all time in ZvP.
The cool thing about BW, is that below the top levels, protoss is fucking awesome and balanced. And on a very very low level even dominate. Why not find 2 or 3 of your most terrible ZvP defeats.... take a notepad, watch the rep, take notes on things you could improve, Post the replays + notes in the strategy forum and begin something productive ....Whinning rarely helps win ZvP ..... I've tried.
And facts like this are what makes this argument impossible. We're talking about the D foreigner level, all the facts about the fucking ZvP Bonjwa are useless. I'm starting to consider that some people are shootin' for a flame war, I don't know, but why are you brining these facts in? Can we go back and talk some about the fundamentals of the game? We can compare this to examining the highest level of b-ball; you wouldn't start copying Shaq because you can't play at his level. Well, looking at people outside of Korea you quickly we can't play at Savior, Jaedong or JulyZerg's levels. I mean, some people of considerable talent can do some moves like them. I think foreigners still really cannot come close to the complete package. Now, I think a good idea is to go back to basic: Seriously, can we follow my school of thought and start examining the game, not the players? When will people stop patronizing me? Calling me newbie and everything. It's just ridiculous. I can't be a C level if I were totally newb. I think I've made my point pretty clearly in this thread. Just go play a couple of games and you would understand where I'm coming from. If people would stop citing the level of skill of progamers then we could get to the real problem - balance. Guys that you pull off the street could probably sit down to a computer and play Protoss in SC. Boxer, who is great at Terran, started Protoss because it was the easiest. This won't reach a conclusion if it were up to Blizzard's developers. I'm not hired as a game designer, but I think that if it were completely up to me, I would just remove High Templars and Corsairs from the game. Unfortunately, it looks like, to the Blizzard developers, they don't listen to the community. No company should just blatantly disregard the problems in front of them. Not to say that Blizzard isn't good, but look at how much whining there is on the WoW forums. Every single thread created there is started fine, but I never see a blue post about anything meaningful. Making a good, balanced game requires input from the community, and I don't think it should be a trouble for Blizzard to do so. All they really have to do at the end of the day is to tweak some numbers in the code and then remove some and it'll be fine. My main problem is with threads like this - people always feel the need to argue back and forth. In the neighborhood of TeamLiquid, all the houses would be throwing flaming napalm at each other. Flame on! Haha nubcakes. Boxer switched to Terran because they nerfed Reavers so they weren't as good anymore. Saying he played them because they were easiest is an insult to Boxer. I guess you hate Boxer, because he just said he played them because he liked Reavers. I guess you're terrible at PvZ if you think Sairs and Temps need to be removed to make it balanced. BoxeR switched to Terran because he isn't smart enough to realize how fucking imba Protoss is. BoxeR fanboys are stupid. He was creative, but never that good. I agree with Plexas topic. He should quit, he's just embarassing himself. BoxeR can have sex with any girl living in Korea he wants, is a millionaire, and still makes money even though he loses games. He loves the game, so he still plays it. I'm pretty sure he can rape any foreigner, and still wins a fair portion of his games. So when you start making hundreds of thousands a year by winning 30% of the games you play, and having a fan club with 500,000 people, you can start criticizing him. Until then STFU Now where's Rekrul when you need him... So I need to be as popular as Boxer to criticize him? He's not some god among men, he's just a fucking progamer. He could probably have sex with any of you fanboy faggots if he wanted too. Jesus. Jealous much? I just think you should be at least 1% as talented at anything as Boxer is at life and StarCraft. YEAH IM SO JEALOUS. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I COULD EVER THINK BOXER IS ANYTHING LESS THAN PERFECT OMG Good logic. Go back to Middle School. I didn't say Boxer was perfect, I said he was successful at pretty much everything. Maybe if you graduated middle school you wouldn't use such asinine rhetorical techniques to hide the fact that your argument doesn't even exist.
Your argument doesn't exist. BoxeR is successful so I'm a loser and how dare I criticize him?
Maybe you should major in cocksucking, it seems like it's the only thing you're good at.
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On August 23 2008 04:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 04:24 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:19 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:12 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 03:59 Gaetele wrote:On August 23 2008 03:43 Chill wrote:
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Chillin' is what you should do, kid, because you're about to get banned for trolling. As for Gatele, you're out of your mind man. You haven't cited anything from outside of the game. You should spend time maxin' your APM and strategy, instead of wasting your time crying. I do think it's actually kind of relaxin' to see all the people finally standing up and saying that PvZ is balanced. It is truly funny to see all the newbies come out of the woodwork to start complaining; I mean. although I actually find it really cool that there are so many differing opinions, only the "balanced" ones bring logical facts.
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And facts like this are what makes this argument impossible. We're talking about the D foreigner level, all the facts about the fucking ZvP Bonjwa are useless. I'm starting to consider that some people are shootin' for a flame war, I don't know, but why are you brining these facts in? Can we go back and talk some about the fundamentals of the game? We can compare this to examining the highest level of b-ball; you wouldn't start copying Shaq because you can't play at his level. Well, looking at people outside of Korea you quickly we can't play at Savior, Jaedong or JulyZerg's levels. I mean, some people of considerable talent can do some moves like them. I think foreigners still really cannot come close to the complete package. Now, I think a good idea is to go back to basic: Seriously, can we follow my school of thought and start examining the game, not the players? When will people stop patronizing me? Calling me newbie and everything. It's just ridiculous. I can't be a C level if I were totally newb. I think I've made my point pretty clearly in this thread. Just go play a couple of games and you would understand where I'm coming from. If people would stop citing the level of skill of progamers then we could get to the real problem - balance. Guys that you pull off the street could probably sit down to a computer and play Protoss in SC. Boxer, who is great at Terran, started Protoss because it was the easiest. This won't reach a conclusion if it were up to Blizzard's developers. I'm not hired as a game designer, but I think that if it were completely up to me, I would just remove High Templars and Corsairs from the game. Unfortunately, it looks like, to the Blizzard developers, they don't listen to the community. No company should just blatantly disregard the problems in front of them. Not to say that Blizzard isn't good, but look at how much whining there is on the WoW forums. Every single thread created there is started fine, but I never see a blue post about anything meaningful. Making a good, balanced game requires input from the community, and I don't think it should be a trouble for Blizzard to do so. All they really have to do at the end of the day is to tweak some numbers in the code and then remove some and it'll be fine. My main problem is with threads like this - people always feel the need to argue back and forth. In the neighborhood of TeamLiquid, all the houses would be throwing flaming napalm at each other. Flame on! Haha nubcakes. Boxer switched to Terran because they nerfed Reavers so they weren't as good anymore. Saying he played them because they were easiest is an insult to Boxer. I guess you hate Boxer, because he just said he played them because he liked Reavers. I guess you're terrible at PvZ if you think Sairs and Temps need to be removed to make it balanced. BoxeR switched to Terran because he isn't smart enough to realize how fucking imba Protoss is. BoxeR fanboys are stupid. He was creative, but never that good. I agree with Plexas topic. He should quit, he's just embarassing himself. BoxeR can have sex with any girl living in Korea he wants, is a millionaire, and still makes money even though he loses games. He loves the game, so he still plays it. I'm pretty sure he can rape any foreigner, and still wins a fair portion of his games. So when you start making hundreds of thousands a year by winning 30% of the games you play, and having a fan club with 500,000 people, you can start criticizing him. Until then STFU Now where's Rekrul when you need him... So I need to be as popular as Boxer to criticize him? He's not some god among men, he's just a fucking progamer. He could probably have sex with any of you fanboy faggots if he wanted too. Jesus. Jealous much? I just think you should be at least 1% as talented at anything as Boxer is at life and StarCraft. YEAH IM SO JEALOUS. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I COULD EVER THINK BOXER IS ANYTHING LESS THAN PERFECT OMG Good logic. Go back to Middle School. I didn't say Boxer was perfect, I said he was successful at pretty much everything. Maybe if you graduated middle school you wouldn't use such asinine rhetorical techniques to hide the fact that your argument doesn't even exist. Your argument doesn't exist. BoxeR is successful so I'm a loser and how dare I criticize him? Maybe you should major in cocksucking, it seems like it's the only thing you're good at.
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On August 23 2008 03:01 Goosey wrote:
How do threads like this not get closed instantly.
exactly!
this thread makes me so sick... there is no way in hell you can be C and lose to D-
no way! IMPOSSIBLEEE!!!!!!
I can offrace and beat a D- player in any given match up with handicap and onehanded... nuke etc
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You guys seriously need to stop the Boxer thing, it goes nowhere. Just because Boxer is a very successful progamer and has become rich, it does not make him superior in any other area than being very good at SC. You simply cannot assume that just because a person excels in one area, she's superior in all the other matters as well. That said, why don't we return to the game-area and discuss this out, because insulting each other won't lead us any further..
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I truly think people are bashing the maps a lot and forget about the people playing the game. You've
got to change your way of playing? Well, Do so and stop blaming the maps for your mistakes. I think
in retrospect the maps being accepted nowadays aren't really bad. Considering old maps, I can think of
one map of the current ones being imba maybe. The rest may only need some minor modifications, a
little tweaking on rushing distances, some cliffs that can be abused. Just make the map so players
fight more and camp less. I don't think people really enjoy players turtling in their bases for 40 minutes
and stalling the game to abuse imbalance like on Blue Storm. Remember the observers' point of view.
My main concern right now are how the games play out. You get rushed a lot PvZ? Go cry at your
mom protoss bastard. Every race has concerns on maps. Terran have early game weaknesses, Zergs
got cliffs and loads more stuff to worry about than Protoss. So stop always playing like you are
scared of coming out. Play like a man and maybe then you will in a game. Maybe.
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On August 23 2008 04:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 04:24 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:19 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:12 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 04:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 23 2008 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On August 23 2008 03:59 Gaetele wrote:On August 23 2008 03:43 Chill wrote:
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Chillin' is what you should do, kid, because you're about to get banned for trolling. As for Gatele, you're out of your mind man. You haven't cited anything from outside of the game. You should spend time maxin' your APM and strategy, instead of wasting your time crying. I do think it's actually kind of relaxin' to see all the people finally standing up and saying that PvZ is balanced. It is truly funny to see all the newbies come out of the woodwork to start complaining; I mean. although I actually find it really cool that there are so many differing opinions, only the "balanced" ones bring logical facts.
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And facts like this are what makes this argument impossible. We're talking about the D foreigner level, all the facts about the fucking ZvP Bonjwa are useless. I'm starting to consider that some people are shootin' for a flame war, I don't know, but why are you brining these facts in? Can we go back and talk some about the fundamentals of the game? We can compare this to examining the highest level of b-ball; you wouldn't start copying Shaq because you can't play at his level. Well, looking at people outside of Korea you quickly we can't play at Savior, Jaedong or JulyZerg's levels. I mean, some people of considerable talent can do some moves like them. I think foreigners still really cannot come close to the complete package. Now, I think a good idea is to go back to basic: Seriously, can we follow my school of thought and start examining the game, not the players? When will people stop patronizing me? Calling me newbie and everything. It's just ridiculous. I can't be a C level if I were totally newb. I think I've made my point pretty clearly in this thread. Just go play a couple of games and you would understand where I'm coming from. If people would stop citing the level of skill of progamers then we could get to the real problem - balance. Guys that you pull off the street could probably sit down to a computer and play Protoss in SC. Boxer, who is great at Terran, started Protoss because it was the easiest. This won't reach a conclusion if it were up to Blizzard's developers. I'm not hired as a game designer, but I think that if it were completely up to me, I would just remove High Templars and Corsairs from the game. Unfortunately, it looks like, to the Blizzard developers, they don't listen to the community. No company should just blatantly disregard the problems in front of them. Not to say that Blizzard isn't good, but look at how much whining there is on the WoW forums. Every single thread created there is started fine, but I never see a blue post about anything meaningful. Making a good, balanced game requires input from the community, and I don't think it should be a trouble for Blizzard to do so. All they really have to do at the end of the day is to tweak some numbers in the code and then remove some and it'll be fine. My main problem is with threads like this - people always feel the need to argue back and forth. In the neighborhood of TeamLiquid, all the houses would be throwing flaming napalm at each other. Flame on! Haha nubcakes. Boxer switched to Terran because they nerfed Reavers so they weren't as good anymore. Saying he played them because they were easiest is an insult to Boxer. I guess you hate Boxer, because he just said he played them because he liked Reavers. I guess you're terrible at PvZ if you think Sairs and Temps need to be removed to make it balanced. BoxeR switched to Terran because he isn't smart enough to realize how fucking imba Protoss is. BoxeR fanboys are stupid. He was creative, but never that good. I agree with Plexas topic. He should quit, he's just embarassing himself. BoxeR can have sex with any girl living in Korea he wants, is a millionaire, and still makes money even though he loses games. He loves the game, so he still plays it. I'm pretty sure he can rape any foreigner, and still wins a fair portion of his games. So when you start making hundreds of thousands a year by winning 30% of the games you play, and having a fan club with 500,000 people, you can start criticizing him. Until then STFU Now where's Rekrul when you need him... So I need to be as popular as Boxer to criticize him? He's not some god among men, he's just a fucking progamer. He could probably have sex with any of you fanboy faggots if he wanted too. Jesus. Jealous much? I just think you should be at least 1% as talented at anything as Boxer is at life and StarCraft. YEAH IM SO JEALOUS. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I COULD EVER THINK BOXER IS ANYTHING LESS THAN PERFECT OMG Good logic. Go back to Middle School. I didn't say Boxer was perfect, I said he was successful at pretty much everything. Maybe if you graduated middle school you wouldn't use such asinine rhetorical techniques to hide the fact that your argument doesn't even exist. Your argument doesn't exist. BoxeR is successful so I'm a loser and how dare I criticize him? Maybe you should major in cocksucking, it seems like it's the only thing you're good at.
Criticizing him is different from saying "he's embarrassing himself and should quit." Why would you quit a job where you make a lot of money, are successful, and are happy? Because a 12 year old somewhere on the internet thinks you should?
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Well, the OP has issued some advantages of the protoss army he thinks are imbalanced. Assuming ZvP is balanced, what part of the zerg army balances those protoss advantages?
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i don't think anyone brought this up since the OP is probably trolling, but to the OP:
what's your iccup id?
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wtf is wrong with making spores to protect your overlords?
wtf is wrong with getting to hive and get devs?
Air Armor upgrade?
I find it funny that zerg players complain that they have to click a 200/150 hive button like its so hard to do yet protoss has to get a 200/200 robo, 150/200 templar archives AND a 150/150 stargate.
seriously how are some zergs to stupid to stay at Lair tech while high end protoss tech is kicking their ass?
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On August 23 2008 04:36 Tadzio00 wrote:
Well, the OP has issued some advantages of the protoss army he thinks are imbalanced. Assuming ZvP is balanced, what part of the zerg army balances those protoss advantages?
I heard Hydralisks are pretty good at killing Corsairs that fly right over them, and the Corsair-over-Hydralisk is a popular strategy at the D- level of Protoss, which is apparently what the op is talking about.
In progames, I assume it comes down to who is microing their scourge/mutalisks/hydralisks/devourers or Corsairs more intensely at the moment. If you're good enough at splitting and cloning scourges, the splash from Corsairs isn't even so good.
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On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even
a hundred ScourgE won't manage to take out one. That's just retarded. I mean, look at the
story.Zerg are the race that just totally take out all groups in terms of numbers, but
all of the Protoss units have retarded AoE splash that just tears through my units one by one.
About 8000 Zerglings or Scourge have died in my game to Archons, Templars and Corsairs.
How is this even remotely balanced!?
i think its called devourers
i might be noob, but i think its archons > zergling??
lol so im guessing u got to C w/o playing any protoss?
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On August 23 2008 04:39 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 04:36 Tadzio00 wrote:
Well, the OP has issued some advantages of the protoss army he thinks are imbalanced. Assuming ZvP is balanced, what part of the zerg army balances those protoss advantages? I heard Hydralisks are pretty good at killing Corsairs that fly right over them, and the Corsair-over-Hydralisk is a popular strategy at the D- level of Protoss, which is apparently what the op is talking about..
So while zerg is waiting for the protoss to fly his corsair over some hydralisks, how should he scout P's tech? Or is scouting less necessary because zerg can tech switch faster than P?
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time for this thread to get closed, I reckon
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