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selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
November 07 2009 07:33 GMT
#481
excellent troll.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
November 07 2009 07:52 GMT
#482
Wow, people still dont read the thread at all lololol
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 07 2009 08:19 GMT
#483
Quite possibly the best thread ever made. Glad I stuck around to read it before posting.
Remember Violet.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 07 2009 08:44 GMT
#484
I'm glad I decided to read the thread before replying, making me one of the cool kids in this case, but lets be honest, is there anyone who reads all threads every time before replying? I gotta say at least 50% of the time I just read the op and the five last posts before replying.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 07 2009 08:48 GMT
#485
On the other hand, if you read the last few posts, usually there's someone who points out the joke. The stupid people are the ones who only read the OP then reply, with no regard to whether there's some else up or, for more general purpose, if what they're saying has already been said.
Remember Violet.
RaptorX
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Germany646 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-07 10:01:48
November 07 2009 09:58 GMT
#486
exactly... there is a LOT of people that simply reply by saying "I didnt read the thread but i think..." and they think that excuses them... you should AT least read the 1st page and the last page... I mean AT LEAST to know how the conversation is going but nope, they wont... I assure you some other kids are going to fall for this again... :D
I won
betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-07 15:07:01
November 07 2009 15:00 GMT
#487
On November 07 2009 14:14 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2009 12:32 betaben wrote:
On November 07 2009 12:29 alffla wrote:
On November 07 2009 06:50 TheAntZ wrote:
Never have I seen a single person on these forums who thought sc was truly balanced
gonna go out on a limb here and say everyone reading has felt sc is imbalanced at some point
give it some thought though, you never hear that much bitching about it at pro level do you?
you think its imbalanced because its harder to learn to play VS protoss then to learn to play protoss.
up till now in the pro scene zvp balance has fluctuated pretty hard because of shifts in metagame
never at any point was it clearly Z=P, because both races found new ways to dick each other
gonna be P>Z again at some point, after Protoss figures out a good way to counter 5 hatch hydra
let it lie for now though, as it is its not TOO imbalanced...just kinda tipped to one side
you have to consider, as a protoss, that some of your templar are gonna die by getting shot
down to mutas no matter WHAT, so you need extra ones, which is the core of the imbalance.



oh thats beautiful

oh, I give up.


i searched the entire thread and didnt see posts by you what are you talking about D:

I am invisible, then. I've given up, anyway.
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
November 07 2009 15:18 GMT
#488
lol best troll ever
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-07 15:21:57
November 07 2009 15:20 GMT
#489
*edit* oops, accidentally posted twice
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
April 12 2010 21:04 GMT
#490
:[ I'll never be remembered for this thread.
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TwoPac
Profile Joined October 2009
United States163 Posts
April 12 2010 23:02 GMT
#491
On August 23 2008 02:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On August 23 2008 02:51 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even a hundred Scourge won't manage to take out one.


Err isn't that an indication that perhaps you should be using something other than scourge at that stage?

It's like saying scouts are imbalanced cos you can't take them with 2958230959023859 lings....


When a races main anti-air unit can't take out another races anti-air unit. It's a problem obv.


Dude, devourers rape sairs?
"I once contemplated suicide, but when I held that nine all I could see was my mama's eyes."
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 23:17:30
April 12 2010 23:14 GMT
#492
On August 23 2008 02:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
lol it's always been ZvP imbalance except for Bisu and Free, i bet they chill with each other singing it's just the two of us, we can pvz if we try, just the two of us building corsairs in the sky

edit: will ignorant lower level SCplayers mock imbalance till hell?

answer: always


Bisu complains about how hard PvZ is a lot. He finds it comfortable, not easy. Ask Stork about how much he complains.

I believe match-up imbalances exist very slightly but the imbalances favor a different race at different skill levels. The maps play a bigger role for sure but there are many more factors at play. If I had time, I could take an average of all the map statistics on ICCUP (forgetting about EXTREMELY imbalnced maps like Battle Royale), from thousands and thousands of games, and I can safely assume that the percentages are going to show a favor to one race in a MU. And I am pretty sure it is not gonna be 51-49% difference. Not much bigger than that, but bigger nonetheless.

If it was possible, we could split that number between different skill levels and we'd see some interesting trends. Anyone who believes Starcraft is perfectly balanced is a disillusioned fool. It is balanced enough for all 3 races to be able to compete with each other on a strong, near equal, footing. I do believe that. But Starcraft is not PERFECTLY balanced.

Also, OP is a troll. Just wanted to share my opinion.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
April 12 2010 23:18 GMT
#493
bump of the century. almost forgot about this classic thread: )
Bisu... ;-(
r-eye
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada20 Posts
April 12 2010 23:53 GMT
#494
Are you in tears ? protoss is so easy! you should play them and make 8 corsairs or so and then kill the scourges. dunno if you will win but its easy race so i guess you will!
Clow
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Brazil880 Posts
April 12 2010 23:57 GMT
#495
rofl @ people replying to it

Epic thread, we need more like this.
(–_–) CJ Entusman #33
LuCky.
Profile Joined March 2010
Zimbabwe91 Posts
April 13 2010 00:03 GMT
#496
actually protoss is one of the hardest races to win with in the proleagues now
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names." - JFK
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 13 2010 00:08 GMT
#497
lmao i remb this thread. y was this bumped though o.o
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
April 13 2010 00:10 GMT
#498
I can't believe people are still taking this seriously.
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Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
April 13 2010 00:12 GMT
#499
PvZ is only balanced because Savior started losing on purpose...
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 13 2010 00:14 GMT
#500
Has it been this long already? Holy crap.
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