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Now I'm tired of losing to stupid D- Protosses on iCCup. I'm a level C Zerg, dammit.
This is getting friggin' ridiculous. People say that the races are balanced, but there's no way it
is even looked at properly by Blizzard. Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even
a hundred Scourge won't manage to take out one. That's just retarded. I mean, look at the
story. Zerg are the race that just totally take out all groups in terms of numbers, but
all of the Protoss units have retarded AoE splash that just tears through my units one by one.
About 8000 Zerglings or Scourge have died in my game to Archons, Templars and Corsairs.
How is this even remotely balanced!?
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Calgary25986 Posts
My thoughts are pretty back and forth on this issue; I mean, although I usually have been joking all my
life, Protoss is no easier than the other races. I really do believe that with the final changes Brood War got
in 1.08, all races have the same potential and it comes down to player error. Remember how PvZ
flipped its imbalance after FE and Bisu build became standard? I think many strategies have really
turned the game around multiple times, as well as player execution. I think a really big
upside to this thread is that it's going to make people finally put their blame of maps and imbalance
down and focus on their own mistakes.
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If he uses his tech you should use your tech.
Use mobility to your advantage. Harass him.
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how are you C if you lose to D- protoss? Only play TvZ and ZvZ? I wouldn't say you are a full-fledged C if that's the case.
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On August 23 2008 02:31 Phoned wrote:
how are you C if you lose to D- protoss? Only play TvZ and ZvZ? I wouldn't say you are a full-fledged C if that's the case.
Now I don't think you're in a position to talk. What's your rank on iCCup?
I'd venture to guess no higher than D level. How would I get to C without facing P?
Like everyone on iCCup is P. You can't rise in the ranks without facing one. Don't jump
to conclusions like that. It doesn't have to do with my own skill - it just happens to
take no skill to properly play Protoss. I mean, not even an huge Ultraling army can take
a similarly sized Protoss army head on. We also have to manage larva, and it takes Protoss a
minute to completely remacro their army from their 50 Gateways (hi fOrU!)
On August 23 2008 02:31 raiame wrote:
If he uses his tech you should use your tech.
Use mobility to your advantage. Harass him.
Just nerf Protoss and all their overpowered tech because all their players have to do is
sit at the keyboard and roll their face over the hotkeys to win. This just isn't
right. I've even seen a game where a Protoss managed to outexpand a Zerg!
There isn't even a logical explanation for that. What mobility?
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Braavos36379 Posts
lol it's always been ZvP imbalance except for Bisu and Free, i bet they chill with each other singing it's just the two of us, we can pvz if we try, just the two of us building corsairs in the sky
edit: will ignorant lower level SCplayers mock imbalance till hell?
answer: always
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I'm a D level at best and I will rarely lose to a D- protoss... I think someone's exaggerating their skill level a little bit.
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As a terran player, I rather routinely get out-macro'd by dumb easy-mode protoss. T_T;;
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LOL.
I think someone has problems with fundamentals...
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I agree.
It's ridiculous. I'm sick of all the protoss scrubs. Play a real race.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even a hundred Scourge won't manage to take out one.
Err isn't that an indication that perhaps you should be using something other than scourge at that stage?
It's like saying scouts are imbalanced cos you can't take them with 2958230959023859 lings....
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On August 23 2008 02:51 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even a hundred Scourge won't manage to take out one.
Err isn't that an indication that perhaps you should be using something other than scourge at that stage? It's like saying scouts are imbalanced cos you can't take them with 2958230959023859 lings....
When a races main anti-air unit can't take out another races anti-air unit. It's a problem obv.
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On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
About 8000 Zerglings or Scourge have died in my game to Archons, Templars and Corsairs.
How is this even remotely balanced!?
It's not. That's why zerg has huge strategical and economical advantages over protoss.
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On August 23 2008 02:56 BlackStar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
About 8000 Zerglings or Scourge have died in my game to Archons, Templars and Corsairs.
How is this even remotely balanced!? It's not. That's why zerg has huge strategical and economical advantages over protoss.
lol troll harder next time.
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dark templars, high templars , reavers and corsairs, i effin love them
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Calgary25986 Posts
I'll answer that, even though I don't play Protoss. There are certain ZvP timings you have to get used to;
tell yourself when you're going to be moving out or staying defensive. I think the problem might be that
you haven't gotten used to playing defensively at certain points and aggressively at others. I do think
how you do this basically shapes your success at ZvP. You can't mindlessly a-move units out (though
I often advocate that) because you'll get cut up by storms and cannons. During TSL this is how I
became a fairly decent ZvT player, and I think it's some advice that anyone can apply to the game. Yep
the main thing to remember here is to play defensively with Lurkers, treat your Scourge like they're a
Prince of Dubai, they are that important! Use the LurkerLing combination to defend; Scourge take care
of his Observers. The key is not to leave any part of your army isolated... I honestly do think that when
a Zerg army can flank it's the strongest army in the game, but I mean if you screw up and go noob
town on it and things come in piecemeal (spelling?) then that's obviously not going to work. It's just
called basic micro and tactics. -_- I think this should let you move to the late game, where Ultras can
bel enough to finish him with simple UltraLing. But remember you really cannot be a simple, mindless
air head with UltraLing in modern ZvP; use Defilers!
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On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
Now I'm tired of losing to stupid D- Protosses on iCCup. I'm a level C Zerg, dammit.
This is getting friggin' ridiculous. People say that the races are balanced, but there's no way it
is even looked at properly by Blizzard. Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even
a hundred Scourge won't manage to take out one. That's just retarded. I mean, look at the
story. Zerg are the race that just totally take out all groups in terms of numbers, but
all of the Protoss units have retarded AoE splash that just tears through my units one by one.
About 8000 Zerglings or Scourge have died in my game to Archons, Templars and Corsairs.
How is this even remotely balanced!?
it's rather balanced at pro level, so obviously you just suck at ZvP
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I don't play zerg or protoss, but unless I misunderstand the matchup, if they're getting 8 corsairs then shouldn't you invest in maybe mutas with armor upgrade, or devourers? The balance remains in the fact that you can lose 50 scourge to 8 corsairs, and 15 seconds later have another 50 scourge ready again. Don't you think its a little imbalanced that 1 overlord full of cracklings can kill an entire protoss base in about 30 seconds? Just because 1 unit that is designed to do only air to air does good at air to air doesn't mean the matchup has any balance issues, you just have to counter his high corsair count with a better strategy.
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How do threads like this not get closed instantly.
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On August 23 2008 02:59 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
Now I'm tired of losing to stupid D- Protosses on iCCup. I'm a level C Zerg, dammit.
This is getting friggin' ridiculous. People say that the races are balanced, but there's no way it
is even looked at properly by Blizzard. Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even
a hundred Scourge won't manage to take out one. That's just retarded. I mean, look at the
story. Zerg are the race that just totally take out all groups in terms of numbers, but
all of the Protoss units have retarded AoE splash that just tears through my units one by one.
About 8000 Zerglings or Scourge have died in my game to Archons, Templars and Corsairs.
How is this even remotely balanced!? it's rather balanced at pro level, so obviously you just suck at ZvP
It isn't balanced at all. Bisu was never good, he was just lucky to discover an imba build.
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