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United States24676 Posts
On August 19 2008 09:57 RaiZ wrote:
Seriously dude, how old are you ? It's within nature to say gg when you lose, i don't care if the game was good or not because gg by its definition is now something like shaking hands after a sport's game. Simple as that.
You'll always see when someone get out of the field without giving a single shaking hand he'll become a bad mannered person, simply because he doesn't want to admit his loss. How hard is that to understand ?
So i fell offended by nature when i'm winning games against ppl that just leave without any reason. If you think it's stupid then i don't know what to say to you.
It's even worse when someones say : Lol re ? God this is even more deppressing. Would've been way better if he said gg re ?
If you are going to be rude at least make an argument that can hold water.
It's within nature to say gg when you lose? What the heck does that even mean? Taken an unwritten rule as given, and referring to it as nature, is not a good way to convince anyone of anything. Again, you are making a mistake several people have made when you assume the reason why you don't say 'gg' is because it wasn't a good game.... wtf I wish everyone would stop thinking that!
You are comparing a team sport (probably in a somewhat high level competition) to a low level game for fun or D/C on iccup.... they don't compare.
You feel offended because of your assumptions... not because they are bm. It's rude make someone else do something meaningless in order for you to feel happy, and then complain when they don't comply.
I agree with you about the last thing. There are 10001 ways to be rude during/after a game.
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Don't you hate it when you type gg but you f10ed and left so fast your gg just sits there unsent. A couple of my friends think i am mad at them (cause i always gg) but really i just f10 to fast.
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United States24676 Posts
On August 19 2008 10:09 MYM.Testie wrote:I say GG to my opponents every 20 seconds while throwing smiles at them, to let them know I am their friend and they can play me without feeling bad manner. So every 20 seconds I say one of these gg  gg =) gg :D GG >  gG O_O)/'') GG =O gg  I don't get why my opponents think i'm bad manner, I say gg
Most of your losses are vs Korean progamers so this is a non-issue for you XD
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I always GG unless my opponent was BM. I'm not particularly good at SC, so I always try to adopt a learner's attitude...I never assume anything, and never EVER trash talk.
I think it's kind of weak to get any kind of self satisfaction and even a self confidence boost out of winning an SC game on bnet, or even for most iccup players. It's SC. If it really makes your day, then I'll let you to it.
Last thing...personally, I think it's a bit rude for the winner to gg first...I think it's up to the loser to tap out, and the winner in kind responds.
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I only type it if I enjoyed playing the game whether it was a win or lost.
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I think I've said gg in 99.99% of all the games I've ever played and quit right after. I hate people who don't say gg and then give the excuse "I don't say gg when it's not a good game." I would like to murder those people.
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United States24676 Posts
On August 19 2008 10:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think I've said gg in 99.99% of all the games I've ever played and quit right after. I hate people who don't say gg and then give the excuse "I don't say gg when it's not a good game." I would like to murder those people.
I don't have a problem with this... just so long as you recognize that there are people who don't type out, but actually don't use that silly reasoning...
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I always type gg even if it wasn't a gg, and if I really thought it was a gg I'll say "nice job" or something of the sort
To me, gg is like a handshake, or a "I give." Chill mentioned this before. If you were playing chess with someone (live, not online), and the guy check mated you, would you just walk away without saying anything about the game? Not sure if that would be considered rude, but I would consider it awkward if you just left the room.
What do you do after losing in a board game like chess or go or whatever? I always say something, maybe a "Ahh, you win" or "Ahh, you got me with that move." I just see silence as a weird way to end a game
I'm not offended or anything if someone doesn't type gg, but I do have this feeling of emptiness. Not as awkward as if someone just lost at chess and left the room silently, but a similar, less weird, version of that
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United States42640 Posts
The words gg represent your acknowledgement that Starcraft is a game of skill, that the winner is decided by the choices made by the players and that your choices were better than his. Whether it was cheese, allin or some really lame strategy like picking terran doesn't matter. Ultimately when you lose a game of Starcraft it is always because they outplayed you. There is always a decision you could have made that would have won you the game, had you been good enough to make it. Saying gg is admitting to your opponent that they won fairly and that you respect that win. Regardless of context, you should say it. No exceptions.
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Oh, and I also say good luck have fun before games of squash and good game after each of them. Fortunately my squash partner understands my Starcraft obsession so he tolerates it. He's starting to do it too.
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On August 19 2008 11:15 Kwark wrote:
The words gg represent your acknowledgement that Starcraft is a game of skill, that the winner is decided by the choices made by the players and that your choices were better than his. Whether it was cheese, allin or some really lame strategy like picking terran doesn't matter. Ultimately when you lose a game of Starcraft it is always because they outplayed you. There is always a decision you could have made that would have won you the game, had you been good enough to make it. Saying gg is admitting to your opponent that they won fairly and that you respect that win. Regardless of context, you should say it. No exceptions.
You attach a lot of meaning to your 'gg'. When I say 'gg' I don't mean that. Therefore, when I don't say it, I'm not specifically denying that.
You are entitled to think whatever you want about the meaning of 'gg' when you choose to say it. I think your line of reasoning is perfectly reasonable for why you feel motivated to always say it, regardless of context.
But it sounds like you are assuming that the reason why people don't say gg is because it wasn't a good game (such as because they made a mistake). This is not the case, and was not implied in the OP.
Edit: lol about squash
Edit2: Your reasoning works well to backup the claim that you should follow the 'gg' etiquette in major events or vs players who are doing you a 'favor' etc.
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I generally type GG unless the opponent is being BM or cheesed me like a 5pool or something, or if they change race at the last minute and the game didn't show. Otherwise I type GG to let them know I'm giving up and acknowledge that they won the game by outplaying me.
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As someone mentioned with the face to face chess example you don't just walk away unless you're a sore loser. You admit defeat and then leave. Walking away without a word smacks of petulance to me. I don't chase people up or hassle them if they don't gg. I just don't re them.
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United States24676 Posts
On August 19 2008 11:21 Kwark wrote:
As someone mentioned with the face to face chess example you don't just walk away unless you're a sore loser. You admit defeat and then leave. Walking away without a word smacks of petulance to me. I don't chase people up or hassle them if they don't gg. I just don't re them.
If I ever play starcraft at a lan or another IRL event, I will always do something analogous to 'gg' and you are right about that.
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koreans on pubs, say gg before the game starts. annoys the fuck out of me.
evne though i know it's just incorrectly used, and theres no possible way it could be used coherently before the game ends (or begins for that matter), my mind still tries to extract some sort of sense out of it... which is hte process by which i get annoyed.
for example, i thot
"is it supposed to mean, 'lets have a good game?''
absolutely not, its jsut plain WRONG to say gg before the game starts. yet it's so prevalent. and i can't resist but try to force it to make sense and end up with crap.
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So saying something analogous to gg in real life (like saying "I give") is akin to saying gg in Starcraft
Saying something in real life is a more powerful version of saying gg, and playing someone face to face is more powerful than playing them online
I agree with you about the arbitrary attachment people have to the word "gg," but not saying "gg" is like a less powerful version of leaving the room in chess. It won't hurt me or anything, I just feel a tiny bit weird
edited like 4 times cuz I messed up my more's and lesses
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Like someone had said that you always say gg - even to random pubs, what if that random pub was lastshadow or something? If you didn't say gg is that fine? Lol. (this is if it's his smurf and it ends up being found out).
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I do not buy into the idea of gg being a courtesy or anything, because I do not see it as one. Typing out those two letters is simply the 'loser' throwing in the towel so to speak, the full stop which typemarks the end of the game. Hence all of my losses have those two letters used at the end, but it isn't as if I feel anything when an opponent refuses to type them out. People get angry with their losses after all.
Half the problem with the use of the term is the different interpretations people have of it. Some see it as an implication the game was good, others simply see it as the signpost for the loser admitting defeat.
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United States17042 Posts
On August 19 2008 11:36 Camlito wrote:
Like someone had said that you always say gg - even to random pubs, what if that random pub was lastshadow or something? If you didn't say gg is that fine? Lol. (this is if it's his smurf and it ends up being found out).
It's tough to know in a random pub- for a random pub, everyone applies their own rules.
For me personally, I always say gg for the same reason as above. Whoever the other person, is, in fact, taking the time out to play me. Good or bad, but if I gg it means that I'm the one who lost, and they almost always deserve it. If they didn't deserve it, they wouldn't have won.
I think that there may be something in the statement/etiquette about admitting that starcraft is a game of skill, but especially in pubs it cannot matter that much (you're not usually going to see the other person again ever).
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