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You did that the first time you ever responded to one of my posts lol...
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Chef
10810 Posts
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micronesia
United States24767 Posts
On August 19 2008 07:57 PsycHOTemplar wrote: No, hiding pylons is always ludicrous if your opponent isn't going to enjoy it too (I can't think of any cases where he would). If he pissed you off, you can just leave and refuse to play with him anymore. There's no reason to lower yourself to his level. Hiding pylons is basically making it seem to your opponent like you have some hidden expo somewhere, or army, and you still have a chance in the game. If he's very smart and not stubborn, once he knows for sure you've got no chance to win and you're just wasting both of your times, he'll leave. Honestly "he was a douche first!" is a childish argument and you should know that. PS: I want to know what that post was Perhaps I was an idiot and I've grown.If he wants his points... he'll play the game. Because he was bm, he has to suffer. It discourages him from being bm. It's not a matter of you being childish (which is why I said it's tricky because there is a fine line, and I'm not condoning this behavior necessarily) Edit: btw in a pub, if they are hiding pylons I'll just leave once I've assured my victory so you are right about that. | ||
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Tadzio
3340 Posts
On August 19 2008 07:49 micronesia wrote: Anyway, if the opponent is better than you but is being really bm, and you drag out the win... sure you are being a pain in the ass, but they deserve it. Most people wouldn't bother to hide pylons or alt+tab or whatever, and it's a fine line because... who are you to judge whether or not the guy deserves it... but there definitely can be cases where it is deserved. To claim otherwise requires explanation. wait... you're saying you can be justified, manners-wise, in hiding pylons to prolong a loss? I wouldn't agree. Even if your opponent is BM, hiding pylons isn't gm or even neutral mannered... if hiding a pylon has no reasonable chance of providing you a win, it's BM. Doesn't matter who your opponent is. The game I mentioned where I thought it was justified, my opponent and I were in an elimination race, and by hiding a pylon he turned a sure loss into an agonizing (for me) win. | ||
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micronesia
United States24767 Posts
On August 19 2008 08:01 Tadzio00 wrote: wait... you're saying you can be justified, manners-wise, in hiding pylons to prolong a loss? I wouldn't agree. Even if your opponent is BM, hiding pylons isn't gm or even neutral mannered... if hiding a pylon has no reasonable chance of providing you a win, it's BM. Doesn't matter who your opponent is. The game I mentioned where I thought it was justified, my opponent and I were in an elimination race, and by hiding a pylon he turned a sure loss into an agonizing (for me) win. If the post directly above yours does not satisfy you, then please explain how I can further my point. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
your odds are simply too good with the tiny, tiny cost to type gg for the potential benefits of not seeming like a dick or offending someone. i'm used to all the people who don't gg and have endless reasons for it by now though, and i just gotta say even if you're my friend and i never say anything about it it certainly doesn't help anyone's respect for you. here's my post about this in the thread linked in the OP: + Show Spoiler + On August 19 2008 00:55 Shauni wrote: But what if it wasn't? What if you lose to a D- player doing a 4pool and you messing up? You still say gg? I just don't think it's very important on ladders. I always 'gg' in official games - clanleagues and tours - but on a ladder I'd prefer not to. I think it's because of the lack of knowledge who I'm playing. What if you played a known hacker like Dino on a smurf? I sure as hell wouldn't risk typing 'gg' to someone like Dino. how much of your pride does it cost you to type gg? isn't it always going to pay off in the long run to be polite and concede with dignity? i don't get how you people are so wrapped up in yourselves that even as a member of tlnet who knows how the game works, knows what makes a good community like ours, and knows how bm only hurts our game, you can still find some shitty excuse to not say an innocent pair of letters. i've played a lot of games where i'm ahead all game, lose, feel like complete shit but still bring myself to gg, only to see the other guy say 'wow i got lucky, good game' and talk about the game a bit. it's infinitely better to see that than just leave and steam about it. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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Tadzio
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
The only thing i think is really annoying is when people say gg when they are winning. Its like rubbing it in that you lost and telling you to get out faster. Normally i don't do anything but if they are really a jerk sometimes i might float all my buildings and alt tab out of the game just to make them work harder for the win. | ||
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On August 19 2008 08:06 Tinithor wrote: Also when i say gg its like i'm admitting to myself that they are better than me and that i need to do better next time. i like this a lot | ||
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micronesia
United States24767 Posts
On August 19 2008 08:04 intrigue wrote: Yeah. I do think you should acknowledge your opponent (at the beginning of the game specifically). Even with a language barrier you can still be polite with a few letters/words. I just disagree that you 'have to' respond at the end of the game. I believe that's completely arbitrary and unnecessary so long as you are polite from the beginning and don't do anything specifically bm.for me, it's the most basic of courtesies in a starcraft game. there's only two points where you have to interact with your opponent - 'gl hf' pregame and 'gg' afterwards, basically acknowledging that someone exists on the other side. your odds are simply too good with the tiny, tiny cost to type gg for the potential benefits of not seeming like a dick or offending someone. i'm used to all the people who don't gg and have endless reasons for it by now though, and i just gotta say even if you're my friend and i never say anything about it it certainly doesn't help anyone's respect for you. The easiest solution to this issue is to always 'gg'. Nobody will get offended by that decision. But that doesn't make it right to consider it bm to not 'gg'. This is a balance between principles and going with the flow, and I often lean too far towards principles. Regarding respect among friends... I only think skipping gg is a problem if it is conjunction with something else. If he doesn't 'gg' and then complains about something, he really should have at least typed out (and should tone back his other behavior as I mentioned I've had a problem with [and we all have to some extent]). But if he doesn't type out (as he normally doesn't) and then acts perfectly fine otherwise, it's wrong to take offense. Those who allow the 'gg' alone to determine respect level might be worrying about the wrong thing despite having the right intention. | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
"pp" "wut pp?" "pimpest plays, you owned me so hard i bow down to you" "o" "X has left the game." also, what if you type ff and they think you meant ffs or type fg and meant fag or type fh and meant full house or typed tg and meant thank god or typed gb and meant game boy or type gv and meant global village english centres, etc. and then left right after. bm !! hahaha | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
What if instead of saying "gg" you just say "g". It will signify your surrender and the end of the game but will not specify if it was trully a good game. If you lost a terrible game and are extremely disappointed it would be acceptable and even logical to just say "g". In fact I believe that saying "g" could be customary and used for typing out in every game. | ||
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micronesia
United States24767 Posts
On August 19 2008 08:06 Tadzio00 wrote: Your point is taken, but it's wrong. Hiding pylons to bug your opponent is BM. If you think it's justifiable to be BM to another BM player (eye-for-an-eye), fine, but don't pretend its not BM. You are not getting my point. This isn't eye for an eye, and I'm not saying hiding pylons can be gm. The goal is to reduce the occurrences of bm in the future... and forcing the guy to hunt down pylons because he was insulting for no reason discourages him. The Ghandi/Mother Teresa/whoever approach is to only use positive things to accomplish this goal... but that's not realistic on the internet. On August 19 2008 08:06 Tinithor wrote: I type GG after every single match that i lose no exception and i altqq right after. IDK its exactly like saying you win to me. I don't really care if someone says GG back when i win or if they say GG when i lose, i say gg cause i want to and thats what i do. Also when i say gg its like i'm admitting to myself that they are better than me and that i need to do better next time. Is it just me or do you guys have that moment right before you gg where you are like "damn...." They usually show it on the Progamers faces when they are about to lose and that is exactly how i feel. The only thing i think is really annoying is when people say gg when they are winning. Its like rubbing it in that you lost and telling you to get out faster. Normally i don't do anything but if they are really a jerk sometimes i might float all my buildings and alt tab out of the game just to make them work harder for the win. Perfectly reasonable. However I don't think it's right for the winner to expect the loser to do something because he is acknowledging that the opponent is better, or that he needs to do better next time. Also, the way you acknowledge you lost is by leaving the game without forcing the opponent to hunt down every building. I don't consider a vocal acknowledgment a necessity. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
It also annoys me when they don't say something like "glhf" before the game starts. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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micronesia
United States24767 Posts
On August 19 2008 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I type gg when I lose no matter what, and sometimes it annoys me when the other person doesn't say it back. It also annoys me when they don't say something like "glhf" before the game starts. I think this is fairly common. I just think it's wrong to get annoyed because you are assuming there is a negative meaning to this, when there doesn't have to be. | ||
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micronesia
United States24767 Posts
On August 19 2008 08:18 Tinithor wrote: Well its mostly a matter of opinion. People who expect alot from other people are gonna get dissapointed alot though. I recommend you subscribe to the Nony school of thought on this matter (in the first page of replies). Edit: but yes your point is taken. | ||
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fonger
United Kingdom1218 Posts
The exception is when I'm insulted/flamed in game while I'm losing (and I do count my opponent giving an "i won, leave" gg as an insult). I'll often even go to some lengths to force him to spend as much time finishing me off as possible while I'm alt-tabbed fuming. I'd much rather have some class and simply gg as usual without responding to his flames, but it's a tough habit to break. It doesn't bother me if my opponent leaves without a gg. I feel obliged to gg when I lose since that's the standard I've set for myself; I certainly don't expect everyone I play to have set that same standard. | ||
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
I generally do it. Sometimes not. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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