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On August 19 2008 07:14 ScarFace wrote:
I think you should gg as the loser, but I don't think the winner has to say it. GGing as a loser is sort of paying your respect to the better opponent, admitting they played well and respectably.
Why should the loser be held to guidelines that the winner isn't held to? That aside, I don't see why the loser should have to 'pay your respect' to the better opponent (as I mentioned in the OP). If you lose, and leave without making a fuss, and don't complain or claim you made mistakes, that should be good enough. If you want to pay further respects (especially vs a significantly more skilled/known player) then feel free.
The only time the loser should not gg is, well, when the game is terrible. I mean losing to a lame strategy, hit and run tactics...anything that could make you really frustrated, I don't think you have to say gg for, because both the loser and the winner wouldn't really expect to give or receive respect in a bullshit game.
I think it's risky to say you should gg at some times in casual games, but not at other times. It's a fine line and people are bound to get offended. The two ways to avoid this are either to always type out, or just not attach as much meaning to it, and as you can tell I prefer the latter solution.
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"glhf" before a match and "ggaltqq" after for me (usually, anyway). Many iccup opponents I play it's "go" before and nothing after. To be honest, I don't really care... just don't hide pylons all over the map. I've had people type out with "you're really bad" and other insults... a lack of a "gg" is nothing.
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On August 19 2008 07:25 Tadzio00 wrote:
"glhf" before a match and "ggaltqq" after for me (usually, anyway). Many iccup opponents I play it's "go" before and nothing after. To be honest, I don't really care... just don't hide pylons all over the map. I've had people type out with "you're really bad" and other insults... a lack of a "gg" is nothing.
Fair.
Although, there is that rare case where hiding pylons is justified in my opinion, but that's a judgment call.
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I always say, "gg," or, "GG." It's just a reflex. As to whether or not they deserve the praise doesn't matter to me much. If it was a good straight up game where I just got outplayed, maybe I'll say something like, "Good Game," before leaving.
I think on the internet, where you are usually insulted, a little bit of manner, deserved or not, feels good.
Wow that's a lot of commas.
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On August 19 2008 07:05 LemOn wrote:
I type gg every single game. I show respect not only to my opponent, but also to myself. He had to play a good game to beat me, outsmart me (This IS including ceese rushes) or outplay me, or he just gave more effort int the game than me.
And if I am winning, I show respect to the loser. He tried and lost. He played a game with me. I want to show that I enjoy it (as I do every Starcraft game)
Thats why we both deserve to exchange the good game sign.
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On August 19 2008 07:16 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:08 Raidern wrote:
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it. Well when it's a league or major event, it's pretty common for hands to get shaken. In the US Open for tennis, I do notice the players always shake hands. When I played on a basketball league, we all lined up to shake hands after the game. This is consistent with the OP. But the only place where I don't agree is that this means you should always gg. A 5-15 minute match vs someone you don't know in a competition where you don't meet is hardly the same as a 90-120 minute match which you will do only a few the entire week. There's nothing wrong with shaking hands... but I think it's overkill to expect it to always happen in every competition.
I disagree; you should be respectful to all your opponents. It's just common courtesy. In fact you should gg moreso to people you don't know than those you do, just as you would be more polite to people you haven't met than your friends.
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On August 19 2008 07:35 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:16 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:05 Chill wrote:
GG is like shaking hands after a match. On August 19 2008 07:08 Raidern wrote:
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it. Well when it's a league or major event, it's pretty common for hands to get shaken. In the US Open for tennis, I do notice the players always shake hands. When I played on a basketball league, we all lined up to shake hands after the game. This is consistent with the OP. But the only place where I don't agree is that this means you should always gg. A 5-15 minute match vs someone you don't know in a competition where you don't meet is hardly the same as a 90-120 minute match which you will do only a few the entire week. There's nothing wrong with shaking hands... but I think it's overkill to expect it to always happen in every competition. I disagree; you should be respectful to all your opponents. It's just common courtesy.
I also agree that you should be respectful to all your opponents. Yes, it is common courtesy. The issue is how you should be respectful, and that is up for discussion.
Edit: you don't always show respect/courtesy the same way...
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On August 19 2008 07:36 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:35 Chill wrote:On August 19 2008 07:16 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:05 Chill wrote:
GG is like shaking hands after a match. On August 19 2008 07:08 Raidern wrote:
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it. Well when it's a league or major event, it's pretty common for hands to get shaken. In the US Open for tennis, I do notice the players always shake hands. When I played on a basketball league, we all lined up to shake hands after the game. This is consistent with the OP. But the only place where I don't agree is that this means you should always gg. A 5-15 minute match vs someone you don't know in a competition where you don't meet is hardly the same as a 90-120 minute match which you will do only a few the entire week. There's nothing wrong with shaking hands... but I think it's overkill to expect it to always happen in every competition. I disagree; you should be respectful to all your opponents. It's just common courtesy. I also agree that you should be respectful to all your opponents. Yes, it is common courtesy. The issue is how you should be respectful, and that is up for discussion.
Would you finish a board game and leave the room without saying anything? That is how I imagine a game of StarCraft ending with the opponent leaving.
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whats bm mean? can't connect the definitions on urbandicitionary to your sentences with bm.
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On August 19 2008 07:27 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:25 Tadzio00 wrote:
"glhf" before a match and "ggaltqq" after for me (usually, anyway). Many iccup opponents I play it's "go" before and nothing after. To be honest, I don't really care... just don't hide pylons all over the map. I've had people type out with "you're really bad" and other insults... a lack of a "gg" is nothing. Fair. Although, there is that rare case where hiding pylons is justified in my opinion, but that's a judgment call.
I've only played one game I can remember where my opponent was justified in hiding pylons. But it can happen, yeah.
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On August 19 2008 07:37 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:36 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:35 Chill wrote:On August 19 2008 07:16 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:05 Chill wrote:
GG is like shaking hands after a match. On August 19 2008 07:08 Raidern wrote:
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it. Well when it's a league or major event, it's pretty common for hands to get shaken. In the US Open for tennis, I do notice the players always shake hands. When I played on a basketball league, we all lined up to shake hands after the game. This is consistent with the OP. But the only place where I don't agree is that this means you should always gg. A 5-15 minute match vs someone you don't know in a competition where you don't meet is hardly the same as a 90-120 minute match which you will do only a few the entire week. There's nothing wrong with shaking hands... but I think it's overkill to expect it to always happen in every competition. I disagree; you should be respectful to all your opponents. It's just common courtesy. I also agree that you should be respectful to all your opponents. Yes, it is common courtesy. The issue is how you should be respectful, and that is up for discussion. Would you finish a board game and leave the room without saying anything? That is how I imagine a game of StarCraft ending with the opponent leaving.
I assume by board game you mean chess/go/etc? I apply the same logic there as I do with sc. If it's a low level ladder game where the winner gains points and the loser loses points, then you should conduct yourself by not doing anything bm/mean, but I don't believe that means you have to do something to congratulate your opponent on their win. It's nice, but I think it's wrong to be offended if the opponent doesn't do it.
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On August 19 2008 07:37 thoraxe wrote:
whats bm mean? can't connect the definitions on urbandicitionary to your sentences with bm.
bm = bad mannered, as opposed to gm = good mannered.
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On August 19 2008 07:37 thoraxe wrote:
whats bm mean? can't connect the definitions on urbandicitionary to your sentences with bm.
bad mannered.
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On August 19 2008 07:39 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:37 Chill wrote:On August 19 2008 07:36 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:35 Chill wrote:On August 19 2008 07:16 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:05 Chill wrote:
GG is like shaking hands after a match. On August 19 2008 07:08 Raidern wrote:
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it. Well when it's a league or major event, it's pretty common for hands to get shaken. In the US Open for tennis, I do notice the players always shake hands. When I played on a basketball league, we all lined up to shake hands after the game. This is consistent with the OP. But the only place where I don't agree is that this means you should always gg. A 5-15 minute match vs someone you don't know in a competition where you don't meet is hardly the same as a 90-120 minute match which you will do only a few the entire week. There's nothing wrong with shaking hands... but I think it's overkill to expect it to always happen in every competition. I disagree; you should be respectful to all your opponents. It's just common courtesy. I also agree that you should be respectful to all your opponents. Yes, it is common courtesy. The issue is how you should be respectful, and that is up for discussion. Would you finish a board game and leave the room without saying anything? That is how I imagine a game of StarCraft ending with the opponent leaving. I assume by board game you mean chess/go/etc? I apply the same logic there as I do with sc. If it's a low level ladder game where the winner gains points and the loser loses points, then you should conduct yourself by not doing anything bm/mean, but I don't believe that means you have to do something to congratulate your opponent on their win. It's nice, but I think it's wrong to be offended if the opponent doesn't do it.
That's what I said.
Competitive level - shake hands (gg)
Friends - say something forfeiting / discussing the match / congratulating (gg or something signifying the game is over)
You wouldn't just resign your king and then look away from your friend and not say anything...
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On August 19 2008 07:27 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:25 Tadzio00 wrote:
"glhf" before a match and "ggaltqq" after for me (usually, anyway). Many iccup opponents I play it's "go" before and nothing after. To be honest, I don't really care... just don't hide pylons all over the map. I've had people type out with "you're really bad" and other insults... a lack of a "gg" is nothing. Fair. Although, there is that rare case where hiding pylons is justified in my opinion, but that's a judgment call.
I think you just absolved any integrity your opinion may have had.
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On August 19 2008 06:31 Mutalisk wrote:
I always type GG, no matter what. And I really think that the people that dont type it have a childish behavior.
I completely agree here. Not saying gg is like not saying thank you. Its good manners. If someone doesn't gg me I assume that they are upset and think they shouldnt have lost. Its childish. Get some manners and gg. It makes you look like a baby if you dont.
edit: gg is a way of gracefully accepting a lose.
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It just doesn't feel right if I don't type gg, I think of it as saying "nice game, I accept this loss". I think even in ladder games, gg should be typed but apparently a lot of people don't think so since I rarely see it at ICCup. You are competing for points at a fair game with your opponent in a ladder, so i see it as a form of respect. In random pub games however, you aren't really playing for anything except for fun, so I understand why nobody types it out.
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On August 19 2008 07:41 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:39 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:37 Chill wrote:On August 19 2008 07:36 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:35 Chill wrote:On August 19 2008 07:16 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:05 Chill wrote:
GG is like shaking hands after a match. On August 19 2008 07:08 Raidern wrote:
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it. Well when it's a league or major event, it's pretty common for hands to get shaken. In the US Open for tennis, I do notice the players always shake hands. When I played on a basketball league, we all lined up to shake hands after the game. This is consistent with the OP. But the only place where I don't agree is that this means you should always gg. A 5-15 minute match vs someone you don't know in a competition where you don't meet is hardly the same as a 90-120 minute match which you will do only a few the entire week. There's nothing wrong with shaking hands... but I think it's overkill to expect it to always happen in every competition. I disagree; you should be respectful to all your opponents. It's just common courtesy. I also agree that you should be respectful to all your opponents. Yes, it is common courtesy. The issue is how you should be respectful, and that is up for discussion. Would you finish a board game and leave the room without saying anything? That is how I imagine a game of StarCraft ending with the opponent leaving. I assume by board game you mean chess/go/etc? I apply the same logic there as I do with sc. If it's a low level ladder game where the winner gains points and the loser loses points, then you should conduct yourself by not doing anything bm/mean, but I don't believe that means you have to do something to congratulate your opponent on their win. It's nice, but I think it's wrong to be offended if the opponent doesn't do it. That's what I said. Competitive level - shake hands (gg) Friends - say something forfeiting / discussing the match / congratulating (gg or something signifying the game is over) You wouldn't just resign your king and then look away from your friend and not say anything...
We had a bit of a vocabulary collision so I'll try to clarify. If you are playing with your 'friends' then that's a separate issue from playing people you don't know. I'd rather talk about the latter (more applicable). Competitive level comes in two varieties (random low level[D/C] iccup matches vs tournaments/leagues/proleages/etc)... In the case of high level high visibility competition I agree with you... in the case of low level competition I don't. The place where we disagree (that actually matters) is just regarding random pub play and low level iccup and similar style games. It's easier to agree to disagree than argue it out, since I think it will be fruitless, but if you feel differently then... by all means.
On August 19 2008 07:41 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 07:27 micronesia wrote:On August 19 2008 07:25 Tadzio00 wrote:
"glhf" before a match and "ggaltqq" after for me (usually, anyway). Many iccup opponents I play it's "go" before and nothing after. To be honest, I don't really care... just don't hide pylons all over the map. I've had people type out with "you're really bad" and other insults... a lack of a "gg" is nothing. Fair. Although, there is that rare case where hiding pylons is justified in my opinion, but that's a judgment call. I think you just absolved any integrity your opinion may have had.
You did that the first time you ever responded to one of my posts lol... but I tried to be pretty mannered about it. Anyway, if the opponent is better than you but is being really bm, and you drag out the win... sure you are being a pain in the ass, but they deserve it. Most people wouldn't bother to hide pylons or alt+tab or whatever, and it's a fine line because... who are you to judge whether or not the guy deserves it... but there definitely can be cases where it is deserved. To claim otherwise requires explanation.
On August 19 2008 07:41 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 06:31 Mutalisk wrote:
I always type GG, no matter what. And I really think that the people that dont type it have a childish behavior. I completely agree here. Not saying gg is like not saying thank you. Its good manners. If someone doesn't gg me I assume that they are upset and think they shouldnt have lost. Its childish. Get some manners and gg. It makes you look like a baby if you dont. edit: gg is a way of gracefully accepting a lose.
I basically I have the same response for you as I did for Mutalisk. You are the one being childish. You feel entitled to a 'thank you' if you win? There's nothing wrong with saying something nice, but leave the poor loser alone. Don't blame them for your assumptions.
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i always type gg to strangers, whether i get bunkered or 5 pooled or whatever, no matter how frustrated i am, just because i feel it's a responsibility to show respect to my opponent whether i like him or not. it encourages gm and fairplay to show respect. it's the same as a handshake after a sporting event, in a sport like tennis you'll see it after like every single match. it's very healthy for the competition aspect imo
sometimes when i'm playing against a close friend or TL member and i get cheesed or rushed i'll type "bitch!!!!" and leave but other than i always G-_-G
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On August 19 2008 07:54 yubee wrote:
i always type gg to strangers, whether i get bunkered or 5 pooled or whatever, no matter how frustrated i am, just because i feel it's a responsibility to show respect to my opponent whether i like him or not. it encourages gm and fairplay to show respect. it's the same as a handshake after a sporting event, in a sport like tennis you'll see it after like every single match. it's very healthy for the competition aspect imo
Well you are certainly entitled to type out as much as you want. It's my personal belief that the developed system of expectation regarding what you 'need' to do to show you are gm creates more bm than it avoids... but I wasn't going to try to argue that.
sometimes when i'm playing against a close friend or TL member and i get cheesed or rushed i'll type "bitch!!!!" and leave but other than i always G-_-G
Lol I have no problem with that.
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