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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
Again you can ignore it completely and refuse to say it if you don't consider the game to be a 'good' one, however doing so you must keep in mind that there are people out there who will consider it rude. If that doesn't bother you, fine. Its up to the individual. | ||
micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On August 20 2008 09:56 dream-_- wrote: Obviously GG does not mean the same thing to everyone. However the general meaning is there. Again you can ignore it completely and refuse to say it if you don't consider the game to be a 'good' one, however doing so you must keep in mind that there are people out there who will consider it rude. If that doesn't bother you, fine. Its up to the individual. You are the first person to mistakenly assume that the only reason not to 'gg' is because you thought it wasn't a good game! | ||
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Krigstar
Sweden77 Posts
God I just hate people who belive they have to be different in every single thing in life just to get attention. I don't care if you say GG or not, just don't pretend that you aren't an asshole when you don't type it. | ||
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Krigstar
Sweden77 Posts
On August 20 2008 09:42 NonY[rC] wrote: To everyone in this thread: if you have read the varieties of interpretations of this gesture and still insist on clinging to your own definition and applying it to everyone, as if everyone has that same definition in mind, and then you draw conclusions about those people based on the gesture, then you are being ridiculous. The gesture is clearly not well-defined and its nothing short of arrogance on your part to act as though your definition is the right one, especially if you go so far as to be deliberately disrespectful to a person based on it. Okay, let us say there are different interpretations. Then why do you say that you would say GG in a broadcasted game no matter what? When people are watching on TV you suddenly get rid of all your oh so holy standards of only typing GG occationaly? Why is that? | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On August 20 2008 10:23 Krigstar wrote: Okay, let us say there are different interpretations. Then why do you say that you would say GG in a broadcasted game no matter what? When people are watching on TV you suddenly get rid of all your oh so holy standards of only typing GG occationaly? Why is that? I just remember WEG II (WC3 tournament), TV tournament. Game was SK.Elakeduck (SWE) vs Xiaot (CHN), game ends and elakeduck just quits without typing anything. I guess he was playing training game :D. Then again he was considered WC3 bad boy. Its like watching Firebathero, what will elakeduck do next? Will he do something dramatic etc? (elakeduck did quit wc3 career long time ago) | ||
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
Very things things that have been said have been compelling enough to change anyone's mind... and that all but defeats the purpose of a discussion. | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
Imagine a public park where people play chess with other unknowns. Imagine how rude would be...you there playing with some random guy and suddenly he get himself up and walk away without saying nothing. why would u feel bad about that? i think its because that game only happens because of your participation, and walking away like that show zero gratitude for the time you "lost" to play with him. that's why in some sports like tennis or soccer, basktball the act of shaking hands always occur. its because the game only happen if the player itself is there. (or the team) in athetics or swimming, there is more than one competitors, so the ausence of some human being would not make any difference, hence, there is not that urge or feeling of shaking hand. that's why on a marathon you dont feel like shaking hands of 100000000 competitors. and to empathize this point of view, when is a 1v1 or group vs group in athetics or swimming, they do shake hands. back to starcraft, when people leave without saying GG for me is like..ok whatever, i played with you but now i wanna leave so i leave and if i wanna play again i just create another game and well leave whenever i want and dont care about you. that's why i feel myself disrepected. imagine if there were only you and another person who plays starcraft. I doubt you would treat him like that because you would want to treat him with respect to be able to keep playing. (i know you can left the game and talk with him in chat but that's not the point because when im referring to "leaving" is like no contact after the game). | ||
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
My happiness doesn't depend on it, but it's certainly a nice wrap and it makes you feel like you played another human being. It's about the only form of communication you'll produce in a match of StarCraft (aside from the match itself), and for the reasons mentioned I don't think it's a shot in the dark. And all this on sale for just 4 keys out of the 2000 I press in a 10 minute StarCraft match. I'm sure there are other subjective reasons for appreciating a simple GG, but this pretty much states the basics for me. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
In ball games or sc, you are competing directly against your opponent, and need to take into consideration what your opposition is doing. Theoretically in a race the interaction isn't actually nessecary. Ideally you would want to run/swim the fastest possible time irrespective of what your opponent is doing, i guess you could argue that with ball games like basketball or soccer, or with sc, there is no game without your opponent (unless you play against comp....) whereas, theoretically, the 'race' can still happen, you will merely be racing against time. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
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crabapple
United States397 Posts
i'm sure we all go through life without people saying bye sometimes. and if they're bad mannered, take them for what they are: immature. and it's they're offending you and dissing you in person. total cyber, text based communication. Plus, when you're in a tournament, when it can really rack up your nerves, most ppl will have manners. not hating on the topic, but 12 pages. quite a lot taking the topic in consideration imo. in conclusion, my general feeling is: nice observation that it's expected, and not doing it can be rude, but in the end, it's not a big deal. lets stop making such a big fuss over it. | ||
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Cham
797 Posts
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On August 20 2008 09:42 NonY[rC] wrote: RaiZ, I can be happy and treat someone with respect whether they say gg to me or not. You get unhappy and treat someone with disrespect if they do not say gg. In that way, I have better manners than you do, regardless of whether you or I say gg when we lose. I can't fathom how you'd defend the attitude of "I'll only be respectful if he is"... Well when i was young it really pissed me, but now that i understand there's still immature ppl playing this godly game, well i just ignore them. I don't care, now i'm not like omfg you didn't say it, SAY IT OR I'M GONNA SCREW YOU SO PAINFULLY WHEN I'LL SEE YOU IRL YOU CRYBABY NERD (I know it has already occured back in vannilla sc, god that was so much fun though). It's just that i don't understand why they don't want to type only 2 letters before leaving, i mean come on how hard is that, i'm not making you suck my toe or whatever you name it. If it makes me direspectfull because of the "attitude" you mention, well so be it. However it won't ever happen because i always say gg and so i don't know where i'll be BM :p | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
I dont think about the game anymore like micro here, macro there.... its over, i give up and I let my opponent know that by saying gg. This combined with my earlier reason of saying "gg" because you play a human and not an AI that doesnt care are the reasons I try to always say "gg" When a game is really good but the opponent is much better and owns me I say "gg yo" | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
On August 20 2008 12:03 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Also for the sports like swimming or running, there is less actual interaction in game between the competitors. In ball games or sc, you are competing directly against your opponent, and need to take into consideration what your opposition is doing. Theoretically in a race the interaction isn't actually nessecary. Ideally you would want to run/swim the fastest possible time irrespective of what your opponent is doing, i guess you could argue that with ball games like basketball or soccer, or with sc, there is no game without your opponent (unless you play against comp....) whereas, theoretically, the 'race' can still happen, you will merely be racing against time. this is exactly what i said. =) | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Frits stop your damn crying. Childish. Do me a favor. Read what you said again and count all the fallacies you just made. After that, look at yourself in mirror and then ask yourself, are you really the bigger man? Oh the irony! This topic (if you could even call it that) has been discussed many times on these forums as a sub-topic. At least four times from my recollection. I'm surprised the Mods kept it open for this long, but then again it never really had a thread of it's own. There is no written rule that says any player has to type "GG" at the end of any game. Simple fact. So don't lecture me about proper gaming etiquette. Create as many fallacies as you want. Just because a Pro does it doesn't mean everyone has to do it. Hell, on many occasions Pros don't even do it. "GG" only gained steam after the early days. If the game were close and interesting of course I would say something like good game. No one is entitled to say it. Everyone has their own values and beliefs. Just because their system doesn't appease to yours makes theirs anymore right or wrong from yours. There are many other ways of being manner, or showing good sportsmanship. Many of you are crying about nothing. On a side note, this thread is solid gold. | ||
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NexyNexy
34 Posts
and I hate it when your losing and the other person says GG for you. Worst insult in a game.... | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On August 21 2008 00:26 Showtime! wrote: Frits stop your damn crying. Look at yourself in mirror and then ask yourself, are you really the bigger man? Stop being so childish. Read what you just said again. Oh the irony! This topic (if you could even call it that) has been discussed many times here as a sub-topic. At least four times. I'm surprised the Mods let it stay open for this long, but then again it never truly had a thread of it's own. There is no written rule that says any player has to type "GG" at the end of any game. Simple fact. So don't lecture me about proper gaming etiquette. Create as many fallacies as you want. Just because a Pro does it doesn't mean everyone has to do it. Hell, on many occasions Pros don't even do it. "GG" only gained steam after the early days. If the game were close and interesting of course I would say something like good game. No one is entitled to say it. Everyone has their own values and beliefs. Just because their system doesn't appease to yours makes theirs anymore right or wrong from yours. There are many other ways of being manner, or showing good sportsmanship. Many of you are crying about nothing. On a side note, this thread is solid gold. Err i think you miss the whole point, the thread is about whether or not it is bm to not say gg, not whether or not people are justified of being offended when others don't say it. There is no rule saying that we need to respond when people say hello, or good morning either, it IS still considered bad manners if you don't respond. Quite frankly, I don't give a crap whether or not people say it to me, mostly because i don't give a crap if people are bm, i've come to expect it of humanity in general. But it still doesn't change the fact that it IS bm, the fact that I'm not overly fussed(or even if i were) about it is entirely irrelevant. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
My post was in response to Fritz comments and nothing more. I believe I made myself quite clear in that regard. No player has to say it; nor is it BM. There are many ways of showing good sportsmanship. Everyone's definition is different. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On August 20 2008 10:07 micronesia wrote: You are the first person to mistakenly assume that the only reason not to 'gg' is because you thought it wasn't a good game! That really wasn't the point. Manners, like money, is a social construction. Money has value because people agree that it has value. Certain practices are considered good manners because people believe that it's good manners. Saying "gg", I think, at least judging by the responses in this thread, has reached that status in starcraft. If you don't say it, then, like it or not, that's probably bad mannered, if for no reason other than that your opponent is going to consider it bad mannered (Of course, there's exceptions when your opponent was bad mannered). Even if you don't agree on its role as etiquette, you surely know that many other people do agree. | ||
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