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mIsUZu
New Zealand528 Posts
On August 19 2008 20:46 nttea wrote: saying GG is like shaking hands after a tennis game, you're just sposed to do it DAMNIT! but the occasional ragequit has it's charms too  only this is virtual so pple tend 2 neglect manner/etiqutte | ||
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K_ Takahashi
United States203 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
The only time I think you look like an assclown if you don't do it would be if you're in a cw, showmatch or something high skilled that people are watching. Who cares if some D chobo ragequit your ass. If you're in the semis for TSL and your opponent calls you a fag and quits, yeah, then I can see getting your panties in a twist. edit: I'd like to add that any idiot who doesn't leave or gg or whatever then they're very clearly behind deserves to have their face rubbed into the ground. If you're not gonna acknowledge defeat in some manner when I've killed your most of your shit and you're done, I'm going to say GG, probably about 12 times, with a few LOLZ! thrown in. | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
Consider the following - if you always type gg I'm sure nobody will bat an eye, but every time you don't type gg you always leave your opponent wondering why you didn't type gg - which of the above symbolic meanings were you attempting to deliberately not convey? Did you not enjoy the game? Did I do something to offend you? Do you think I was hacking? What? So if one feels that there is little of use conveyed by gg, then the question can simply be turned on its head. If it doesn't mean much to type gg then what does it mean NOT to type gg. By virtue of gg being such a platitude I think that not typing gg is a more powerful statement than typing gg. Curious how such constructs work. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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village_idiot
2436 Posts
I usually say something like "faggot" or just plain "fag", maybe "homocunt". | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On August 19 2008 12:47 micronesia wrote: You are comparing a team sport (probably in a somewhat high level competition) to a low level game for fun or D/C on iccup.... they don't compare. Huh ? Sorry mister but we DO compare. We DO shake hand even when it's a low lvl competition. We DO shake hands after a practice game. The way you mean it litteraly means that you don't want to say good bye to a person leaving. It's called being rude. In Starcraft it's called being BM. You are also oversimplifying by saying GGing is giving respect to the person 'who is better than you' since many losses are to people who are worse than you. That's not the issue. As for admitting you lost... leaving the game does that quite sufficiently. The only way to not admit you lost is either to force your opponent to eliminate buildings, or to say something bm. Your logic fails unless someone already subscribes to your school of thought. So what ? There's no reasons to not say it because they just outplayed for maybe their first time in a lifetime. Also saying gg is by no mean saying like your opponent deserve to be respectfull, no. I said it once, i'll say it again, saying gg is admitting your lose because your opponent were just more carefull. Simple. I don't care if they are truest pathetic losers, or almighty uber gods, it's just within nature to say gg when you lose. Because there's no logical reason to type out other than to satisfy the illogical desire of the opponent who won... Is it just coming out of your you-know-what ? How is it to satisfy the desire of the opponent ? It's your mind that say it not ours. There's no fucking way that would satisfy our ego or whatever you call it, it's called being good mannered. Simple. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
China685 Posts
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Captain
United States204 Posts
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
Going back to my earlier point, if someone loses to you and does not GG, I can't conceive of why that would be BM. You already had your way with them in the game. Furthermore, you are expecting them to concede to your silly-and-meaningless standard of having them acknowledge in a friendly way that they lost, or you will call them BM. You've already won, case closed. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11577 Posts
On August 20 2008 02:15 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: It's not the goddamn end of the world if someone doesn't type gg to you. Why is it even such a big deal? If you have ever been on a sports team, and the game is over, what did you do? You shook hands and would say "good game" or what have you in your native language. It is common courtesy and respect to both yourself and your opponent. When you leave without saying "gg" it feels like you are instead saying it was not a good game because you were not the winning player. How selfish and ignorant is that? Whenever I'm in any game, if it be 3v3 Zero Clutter no Rules, or a Clan War, or at the WCG, I always type "gg" because it shows manners and respect. I'm not some selfish ass fuckface who doesn't realize that loses are more valuable than wins. When you lose, you can learn how you lost, and what to change in the future to make yourself a better player. When you win, you can just say, "I played well". Instead, you can learn and become a much better player. Don't be an asshole and fucking say "gg" already. | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11577 Posts
I would much rather go to a LAN and meet people who I used to play with online and be friends right off the bat, instead of going there and explain why I'm being an asshole on the "internet". The internet is just a portal to the rest of the world, it lets you interact with other REAL people, all who have REAL feelings, and REAL emotions. Why do you think at WCG 07 Mondragon, iNControl, Nyoken, etc... got along so well so quick? Or the TeamLiquid meet up at WWI in Paris? It's because they were polite, and respected each other online, and were able to carry that over to in person. Starcraft is no different, don't do something online you wouldn't do in real life. | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11577 Posts
If you just say "fuck you faggot" or whatever you say after you lose, go join X17 and you can be bad mannered to everyone you want, because that's the impression everyone already has of them. I can guarantee no one will invite you to anything, if it be invite tournaments, teams, etc... if you do not seem professional in the least bit. Manners is the way to go, and "gg" is just a small part in it, but it means so much in the end. | ||
micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On August 20 2008 02:02 RaiZ wrote: Bah. I can't help but feel ashamed by the attitude along tl.bw players... :[ Huh ? Sorry mister but we DO compare. We DO shake hand even when it's a low lvl competition. We DO shake hands after a practice game. The way you mean it litteraly means that you don't want to say good bye to a person leaving. It's called being rude. In Starcraft it's called being BM. Why do we compare? What do you mean we do shake hands even when it's a low level competition? Throughout most of my life, handshaking has only occurred after high level or well-planned competitions. What are you drawing your conclusions from? Why do you give a shit if someone you know who you played a fair game with for 10-15 minutes on the internet doesn't want to say goodbye? You are holding Starcraft to a much higher standard than anything... and shouldn't. BM IRL and BM on the internet are very different unfortunately. So what ? There's no reasons to not say it because they just outplayed for maybe their first time in a lifetime. Also saying gg is by no mean saying like your opponent deserve to be respectfull, no. I said it once, i'll say it again, saying gg is admitting your lose because your opponent were just more carefull. Simple. I don't care if they are truest pathetic losers, or almighty uber gods, it's just within nature to say gg when you lose. Your teleological thinking serves nobody. I understand the motivations behind respecting your opponent. I knew before this thread began that you can lose to someone who simply outplayed you in that one particular game (by definition). You are shooting back at me the claim that gg is admitting your loss. Leaving the game and not forcing them to kill your buildings does that. GG is redundant and therefore unnecessary. And don't tell me I should say GG because it is "within nature" because that's the most useless argument I've seen yet (aside from the other cases of it earlier in the thread). Is it just coming out of your you-know-what ? How is it to satisfy the desire of the opponent ? It's your mind that say it not ours. There's no fucking way that would satisfy our ego or whatever you call it, it's called being good mannered. Simple. Can I recommend a book to you? http://www.amazon.com/Thank-You-Arguing-Aristotle-Persuasion/dp/0307341445/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219173071&sr=8-1 Wait on second thought might want to start with http://www.amazon.com/Learn-Read-Kindergarten-Hooked-Phonics/dp/1601438729/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219173097&sr=8-5 Edit: couldn't resist that last part for some reason... guess it's been too many pages of this... | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On August 19 2008 15:29 micronesia wrote: No...I have been saying the same thing all along, actually. Babbling? You just completely changed your stance and tried to pass it off as though you have been consistent. Anyway, you seem to think the loser has a responsibility to bow to the winner. That's horrifyingly disgusting.+ Show Spoiler + Yes I am using the word bow metaphorically, don't intentionally misunderstand this. Edit: How is 'bowing' disgusting? Its just a sign of respect over a good game, be it competitive or friendly. | ||
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On August 20 2008 04:32 ScarFace wrote: No...I have been saying the same thing all along, actually. Oh well if you are stating that obvious claim then it is true by default. More importantly, the disagreement was not about the topic of this thread, and it seems that you don't have further wishes to discuss it, so hopefully this thread has more or less run its course. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On August 20 2008 04:12 micronesia wrote: Why do we compare? What do you mean we do shake hands even when it's a low level competition? Throughout most of my life, handshaking has only occurred after high level or well-planned competitions. What are you drawing your conclusions from? Why do you give a shit if someone you know who you played a fair game with for 10-15 minutes on the internet doesn't want to say goodbye? You are holding Starcraft to a much higher standard than anything... and shouldn't. BM IRL and BM on the internet are very different unfortunately. Your teleological thinking serves nobody. I understand the motivations behind respecting your opponent. I knew before this thread began that you can lose to someone who simply outplayed you in that one particular game (by definition). You are shooting back at me the claim that gg is admitting your loss. Leaving the game and not forcing them to kill your buildings does that. GG is redundant and therefore unnecessary. And don't tell me I should say GG because it is "within nature" because that's the most useless argument I've seen yet (aside from the other cases of it earlier in the thread). Can I recommend a book to you? http://www.amazon.com/Thank-You-Arguing-Aristotle-Persuasion/dp/0307341445/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219173071&sr=8-1 Wait on second thought might want to start with http://www.amazon.com/Learn-Read-Kindergarten-Hooked-Phonics/dp/1601438729/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219173097&sr=8-5 Edit: couldn't resist that last part for some reason... guess it's been too many pages of this... I have played floorball, basketball, table tennis, beer drinking contest... And every single time there is a gesture at the end that would be equivavent to the 'gg'. Even after 2x10 min on the lowest level after playing the biggest assholes in the world, you at least shake hands. And Micronesia, above anything else, by saying gg most people mean the same as in other sports. 'good game/ thanks for playing'. You show respect to your opponent and appreciate his (or the teams) presence in the game, without which it could not happen at all. This is the spirit of any sport, and I don't see why Starcraft should be anything different. Raiz may try to glorify the meaning of the good game phrase too much, but it should be the comon courtesy and basic manners to type out no matter what. Edit: Grammar | ||
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