EPTExample : Storming your overlords because they're far enough ahead to waste storms.
Example : I DT RUSH YU DIDNT CPEXT LOL GG NEWB"
This is when i reply with a "Fuck your mother asshole" and leave.
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
Example : Storming your overlords because they're far enough ahead to waste storms. Example : I DT RUSH YU DIDNT CPEXT LOL GG NEWB" This is when i reply with a "Fuck your mother asshole" and leave. | ||
micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On August 20 2008 04:38 LemOn wrote: I have played floorball, basketball, table tennis, beer drinking contest... And every single time there is a gesture at the end that would be equivavent to the 'gg'. Even after 2x10 min on the lowest level after playing the biggest assholes in the world, you at least shake hands. And Micronesia, above anything else, by saying gg most people mean the same as in other sports. 'good game/ thanks for playing'. You show respect to your opponent and appreciate his (or the teams) presence in the game, without which it could not happen at all. This is the spirit of any sport, and I don't see why Starcraft should be anything different. Raiz may try to glorify the meaning of the good game phrase too much, but it should be the comon courtesy and basic manners to type out no matter what. Edit: Grammar This brings up an issue I was just discussing with Diagomi in pm. How much does this vary from country to country? Were you in the USA? | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
And still I have to emphasize the point that without an opponent, there is no game. No matter if you are in the US, Scotland, Togo or Transinistria. And since Starcraft has less and less players and it is a purely amateur 'sport', you should be grateful for every game and let the other person know. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
On August 19 2008 06:30 evanthebouncy! wrote: I nvr say GG unless I feel it is a GG. If it is a GG I say it, if I don't feel it's a GG i won't say it. That fair? >_> this. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
If you lose, you say gg, no matter who it is against or how you lost, simple as that. Say what you want, but if you're not saying gg you're a sore loser, I don't see anyone denying this. Get some goddamn balls, say gg when you lose, the end. On August 20 2008 04:56 arb wrote: Usually better to GG at like high level shit though i do it sometimes unless they BM or something. Example : Storming your overlords because they're far enough ahead to waste storms. Example : I DT RUSH YU DIDNT CPEXT LOL GG NEWB" This is when i reply with a "Fuck your mother asshole" and leave. Grow up. On August 20 2008 02:02 village_idiot wrote: Whenever I lose I get incredibly angry, so I hardly ever gg. I usually say something like "faggot" or just plain "fag", maybe "homocunt". Christ. Saying gg is a matter of self-control, if you can't even bring up to say gg when you lost no matter the consequences you're lacking self control. I have never played a game of sc where I didn't say gg, it's like an unwritten rule, it contributes to good sportsmanship in the game. Go ahead and break it, but I will never have any respect for you. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
Yeah I imagine it's more like you guys say gg whenever you win and rarely when you lose. Besides, why would you shake someone's hand after a tennis match if he owned your ass, right? It wasn't a good game might as well refuse, OH wait you do it anyway because you're probably too much of a pussy to refuse in real life. You guys aren't even doing this out of princible you're just doing it because you know you won't be confronted about it anyway so you just let yourself go without any self control, making yourself look like a total tool to your opponent. Grow the fuck up guys. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
On August 20 2008 05:56 Frits wrote: Yeah I imagine it's more like you guys say gg whenever you win and rarely when you lose. Besides, why would you shake someone's hand after a tennis match if he owned your ass, right? It wasn't a good game might as well refuse, OH wait you do it anyway because you're probably too much of a pussy to refuse in real life. You guys aren't even doing this out of princible you're just doing it because you know you won't be confronted about it anyway so you just let yourself go without any self control, making yourself look like a total tool to your opponent. Grow the fuck up guys. Its just 2 letters.... i really doesnt matter that much.... (and its not like i don't say GG, i do every game, but you are just taking it sooooo out of proportion) | ||
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Obsserver
Mexico25 Posts
Being Good maner is culture ... If I win and people do not say gg and just leave ... I whisper then and say gg .. To me it is very important to say it, because other players will feel confortable to play you again if they know you are Gm .. Also I do not like when people is ahead and they say gg to you .. like forcing you to surrender .. thats BM as shit .. In that cases I say .. "ok gg " plus some insult .. Even if I know I can get back in to the game, I just don't like playing with BM's. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On August 20 2008 06:02 Tinithor wrote: Its just 2 letters.... i really doesnt matter that much.... (and its not like i don't say GG, i do every game, but you are just taking it sooooo out of proportion) I disagree, I'm not taking it out of proportion I'm merely stating what saying gg exactly means. Do you think the case where the Canadian female fencer went ballistic was taken out of proportion? I don't think so. I think it's fair to lose your respect for someone if he can't bring up the decency to show respect after a match, just like I would do for them, unconditionally. Saying gg is just 2 letters is the same as saying a handshake after a match is a purely physical gesture. That's bullshit and you know it. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 20 2008 04:12 micronesia wrote: Why do you give a shit if someone you know who you played a fair game with for 10-15 minutes on the internet doesn't want to say goodbye? You are holding Starcraft to a much higher standard than anything... and shouldn't. BM IRL and BM on the internet are very different unfortunately. This is the problem with the topic, right here. You seem to accept that what would be a bad-mannered action in real life ought to be okay given the online circumstances. I reject this claim. If I play a set of tennis with you, and you refuse to shake my hand afterwards, I will be offended. The fact that you are unwilling to devote such minimal effort on your part to uphold a tradition of respect amongst players indicates to me that you scorn the spirit of the game, that you care only for your own victory or loss. And I expect similar courtesy online. I see no reason why the fact that our competition is online means that etiquette is rendered irrelevant. After all, the implications of your refusal to shake hands or say GG have nothing to do with Battle.net - they speak to your character. I won't come after you and sue you, just like I won't beat you up after tennis if you don't shake my hand. You have the right not to say GG. But I won't continue to play with you, because to me you are as disrespectful as someone who fakes line calls (in tennis) or someone who uses Oblivion (in Starcraft). | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
By this logic we can admit that it's like playing on lan right ? I don't know for you but here in europe i've rarely seen any losers refusing shaking their hands to the winners even when they were so pissed about their loses in lans. They accept to shake their hands and then let's talk about "what if..." but they finally concedes their games. I don't know why it'd not be the case for the internet aswell. Sure i can simply ignore these bm childs, but we're in a thread on a website where i've been reading for 7 years (or so don't remember) and so far i felt like i could contribute about this behavior. Now they can have some ppl to disagree with me, i don't care it's their right, but at least i can share my thoughts and hopefully i'm not the only one to think about it. So to summarize it (spelling ?), i just ignore ppl who doesn't say gg when they leave and if they ask re i'm just like get the $%^& out and then go to somwhere else. Nothing more nothing less. I'm just so tired to explain because i know that you'll all understand when you'll grow up. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
arb: if he's ahead enough to start storming your overlords, its perfectly valid for him to do so. if you're still in the game because you think you can come back, then you should be happy he's wasting storms. If you're still in the game while you think you've already lost, what the fuck are you doing not gging out? seriously. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On August 20 2008 06:03 Obsserver wrote: I say gg... even to hackers .. Being Good maner is culture ... If I win and people do not say gg and just leave ... I whisper then and say gg .. To me it is very important to say it, because other players will feel confortable to play you again if they know you are Gm .. Also I do not like when people is ahead and they say gg to you .. like forcing you to surrender .. thats BM as shit .. In that cases I say .. "ok gg " plus some insult .. Even if I know I can get back in to the game, I just don't like playing with BM's. Its considered bad manner if you whisper after you win opponent (i mean if he left without gg or saying it before he left quickly). But maybe you get somekind of satisfaction by whispering it? | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11577 Posts
I have played soccer for 14 years, Baseball for 8 years, Basketball for 7 years, Tennis for 2 years, and I was on the swim team for 3 years. After every single practice, game, competition, what have you we always shook hands and said good game. It's respect and courtesy. Don't be an ignorant asshole, and pay your dues. | ||
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
China685 Posts
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
I say gg if I feel its a good game, I dont if people are building supply depots in my base just because they can. But what decides it most is if someone joins my game, I say "hi" and "glhf" and I dont even get a "go" back. Its just annoying couse you dont even know if they're ready, and sometimes they quit 20 sec after its hosted, and thats just annoying. If they're not polite, I dont see a reason to be polite back. | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
Between strangers, I feel absolutely no difference between opponent quitting with or without saying something. I actually enjoy it more when someone quits with something more or less classical oneliner "go rape ur mother tarded fag", brings slight amusement at least  If they say nothing that's cool. If they say gg and actually start waiting until I respond, that feels like a waste of time to me.If it's some official game like televised one in Korea or important league I understand it may be common manner which is actually expected of you. Comparing this to some real sports where it's habit to do handshakings etc isn't right since for every sports it's strickly related to the specific sport and its culture. Not shaking hands after tennis is obviously badmannered, same for skipping the chain of shakings after hockey match. But do you see every contestant separately going to congratulate the winner of a swimming or running races? Usually few do, but the chances are they usually are either training partners, from same country or themselves medallionists. So basically they're complimented by people they know the best out of the bunch which brings this game, Starcraft, to my mind: I may slightly care about gg's only when facing people I know, but absolutely never when I know absolutely nothing about the opponent. If I don't know somebody's name, residence, gender or anything, does it matter whether they say nothing (neutral) or something nice (positive)? You might just aswell say it's bad mannered to walk in the street and not say "hello" to everyone you walk by. It takes no effort, it can have no negative effects, still not many do it. edit: For the record I agree with OP. For (pro)league type of match it's different. When you likely knew at least something of your opponent, he's not a stranger anymore, and since you may have a reason to expect to meet the person again it's cool to ensure you aren't in bad terms for future. Also the other example where you know the opponent is way better, you might just say gg out of respect for either his skills, or to bother using his time bashing you. But the odds are this person is playing you only because you know him already and you weren't strangers to begin with  | ||
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On August 20 2008 06:29 GrandInquisitor wrote: This is the problem with the topic, right here. You seem to accept that what would be a bad-mannered action in real life ought to be okay given the online circumstances. I reject this claim. If I play a set of tennis with you, and you refuse to shake my hand afterwards, I will be offended. The fact that you are unwilling to devote such minimal effort on your part to uphold a tradition of respect amongst players indicates to me that you scorn the spirit of the game, that you care only for your own victory or loss. And I expect similar courtesy online. I see no reason why the fact that our competition is online means that etiquette is rendered irrelevant. After all, the implications of your refusal to shake hands or say GG have nothing to do with Battle.net - they speak to your character. I won't come after you and sue you, just like I won't beat you up after tennis if you don't shake my hand. You have the right not to say GG. But I won't continue to play with you, because to me you are as disrespectful as someone who fakes line calls (in tennis) or someone who uses Oblivion (in Starcraft). I wouldn't refuse to shake someone's hand, if that wasn't already obvious from knowing me for a while (I have never 'refused to shake someone's hand before for that matter). However, I don't agree with the claim that etiquette IRL is exactly the same as etiquette on the internet. If they are not exactly the same, then we can discuss the degree to which they are different, but that becomes subjective, thus you can't auto-refute what I was saying. On August 20 2008 06:30 RaiZ wrote: Micronesia, maybe we didn't grown up with the same logical mind about the hand shaking part, but what you need to know is that internet allows you to play against ppl everywhere in the world. By this logic we can admit that it's like playing on lan right ? I don't know for you but here in europe i've rarely seen any losers refusing shaking their hands to the winners even when they were so pissed about their loses in lans. They accept to shake their hands and then let's talk about "what if..." but they finally concedes their games. I don't know why it'd not be the case for the internet aswell. Sure i can simply ignore these bm childs, but we're in a thread on a website where i've been reading for 7 years (or so don't remember) and so far i felt like i could contribute about this behavior. Now they can have some ppl to disagree with me, i don't care it's their right, but at least i can share my thoughts and hopefully i'm not the only one to think about it. So to summarize it (spelling ?), i just ignore ppl who doesn't say gg when they leave and if they ask re i'm just like get the $%^& out and then go to somwhere else. Nothing more nothing less. I'm just so tired to explain because i know that you'll all understand when you'll grow up. I appreciate that you are putting things more diplomatically than earlier. I just feel like you are misrepresenting me on several fronts. This is getting too tedious. On August 20 2008 08:19 CaucasianAsian wrote: Micronesia I am born and raised in the United States I have played soccer for 14 years, Baseball for 8 years, Basketball for 7 years, Tennis for 2 years, and I was on the swim team for 3 years. After every single practice, game, competition, what have you we always shook hands and said good game. It's respect and courtesy. Don't be an ignorant asshole, and pay your dues. CaucasianAsian after every game of basketball/soccer/etc I played as a kid (while involved in leagues/teams), we did the same thing. Unfortunately that is not relevant to the discussion unless you are trying to agree with me. Although if you are trying to agree with me, then calling me an ignorant asshole does not make sense. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
You get unhappy and treat someone with disrespect if they do not say gg. In that way, I have better manners than you do, regardless of whether you or I say gg when we lose. I can't fathom how you'd defend the attitude of "I'll only be respectful if he is"... To everyone in this thread: if you have read the varieties of interpretations of this gesture and still insist on clinging to your own definition and applying it to everyone, as if everyone has that same definition in mind, and then you draw conclusions about those people based on the gesture, then you are being ridiculous. The gesture is clearly not well-defined and its nothing short of arrogance on your part to act as though your definition is the right one, especially if you go so far as to be deliberately disrespectful to a person based on it. And on a sidenote, swimmers and track athletes do not have a post-race gesture or saying which they perform to every other athlete in the race. At most, a few athletes will make a gesture to a few other athletes, but the majority of the field simply goes their separate ways at the end of the race. Observe it yourself in the Olympics. I swam and ran competitively for 12 years without ever feeling disrespected just because of an absence of these gestures and I never had someone tell me they felt disrespected by me because I didn't perform them. | ||
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