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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
August 18 2008 21:45 GMT
#21
if anyone else besides backho uses zizi yO i will stab them.

that is so annoying and lame
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Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
August 18 2008 21:45 GMT
#22
you forgot gettng 3ported by intrigue

i hate you so much
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Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
August 18 2008 21:45 GMT
#23
"Bad manner" to which op is relating is pretty rare for me, personally. I learned to "gg" after losing, respond with "gg" after loser types it first and majority of people I play says "gg". Its a very established bw-etiquete in my eyes. If game was a really good game, opponent did something awesome I word it directly, in a different way from casual "gg". These two letters are like "hi" and "bye", aren't they? Many people will call lack of one of these rude, I'd suggets using it. "BM" is marginal, why relate to it and break a nice habit.
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
August 18 2008 21:47 GMT
#24
I've only not used gg once when i got a savior vs fbh sig. I was playing on troy and i 5 pooled the terran and locked him in i took 3/4 of the map instantly and was clearly ahead. I mounted early raids agnist his island expos ,one being quite secuffful taking out all his expos with muta and devs but he just slowly took the bottom half of the map and had shit load of bc and sv i killed off all my drones cause i had like 7k mins gas at one point and made a 1-0 control group of half devs half muta's and i still couldn't dismout him from that freaking position eventually i ran out of min/gas trying to destroy this guy and just said "This is jacked" and left.
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 21:49:52
August 18 2008 21:47 GMT
#25
I always type gg nowadays when I lose. I think it's respectful and polite - although cheese is gay, it's a strategical option and tactic that shouldn't stop you from saying gg. Even if they aren't better than you, when they win they prove themselves the victor by playing better than you in the game, and therefore (although it may not always be a gg, nowadays gg does not really refer towards the game being good but more acknowledging your opponent defeating you) you should be polite at the end of the game. Also, for me at least, whenever I see someone leave without saying anything I find it a bit rude, it feels like the loser can't accept the fact that they lost (but that's just my view of it, other people definitely have different perspectives). gg nowadays is more of an established thing to do after a loss in Starcraft imo. When it actually is a good game, however, I like to stick around and review/talk with the other guy after the game, and most of the times they feel it was a good game too and are willing to discuss.

Anyways, gg is held in different opinions by people, and the reasons you listed are nice micro, so there's no right or wrong way to do it.

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Aux1
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States780 Posts
August 18 2008 21:48 GMT
#26
On August 19 2008 06:39 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2008 06:37 Aux1 wrote:
i think gg should be typed when you lose,
Can you elaborate on why this is? A lot of people share this opinion, but I have yet to see a good line of reasoning...

its just acknowledging the fact that your opponent bested you in this game, nobody wins every game they play, so its not like its shameful to lose.

I have no problem not saying in in iccup, but i think that when yo know your opponent or you're playing a friendly game it should be said.
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
August 18 2008 21:48 GMT
#27
I always GG

Why?

It shows respect
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 18 2008 21:48 GMT
#28
On August 19 2008 06:45 Pafnucy wrote:
"Bad manner" to which op is relating is pretty rare for me, personally. I learned to "gg" after losing, respond with "gg" after loser types it first and majority of people I play says "gg". Its a very established bw-etiquete in my eyes. If game was a really good game, opponent did something awesome I word it directly, in a different way from casual "gg". These two letters are like "hi" and "bye", aren't they? Many people will call lack of one of these rude, I'd suggets using it. "BM" is marginal, why relate to it and break a nice habit.

I'm not saying it's wrong for you to always say 'gg' and have a habit like that. But I also think it's wrong for players to feel pressured to say it. You are right that many people will call lack of one of these rude (although not evidenced by the nature of the replies so far) but I don't think that alone is a good enough reason for us to agree upon the conclusion that not typing out = poorly mannered.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 18 2008 21:53 GMT
#29
On August 19 2008 06:48 Aux1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2008 06:39 micronesia wrote:
On August 19 2008 06:37 Aux1 wrote:
i think gg should be typed when you lose,
Can you elaborate on why this is? A lot of people share this opinion, but I have yet to see a good line of reasoning...

its just acknowledging the fact that your opponent bested you in this game, nobody wins every game they play, so its not like its shameful to lose.

I have no problem not saying in in iccup, but i think that when yo know your opponent or you're playing a friendly game it should be said.

I agree that specifically not acknowledging your opponent bested you in a game is rude (which I explained to some extent in the OP). However, I don't take that to mean that not typing out is a lack of acknowledgment.. and I believe that's where many of the naysayers make a mistake.

Why should you have to acknowledge anything about your game? Too often there are circumstances, and taking offense because people act differently according to the circumstances is just a pain.
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Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
August 18 2008 21:57 GMT
#30
It doesnt bother me at all if someone didnt say GG.
It just leads me to the assumption the person didnt like the outcome of the game. If it is a friend I am playing, I will go after him and ask why he didnt say gg. Just to straight things out, maybe cheer him up.

What I really hate though, is when Im losing and someone says gg before I do. That is really annoying, and usually I either disconnect, or start making the game longer.
I find it insulting, since I interpret it as the player telling me to leave the game. But on my side of the screen, its my own judgment that counts, and I will leave when I feel like it.
If its a friend of mine, I usually dont get bother much, I know them better.
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
August 18 2008 21:58 GMT
#31
gg altqq is da way to go
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
August 18 2008 21:58 GMT
#32
Hmm I guess to obtain maximum happyness in this GG business maybe follow this rule:
"When it comes to GGs, try to give more of it and expect little of it"

That way when you lose a game you try to gg it out so your opponent feels happy, and when you win a game don't expect a GG so you don't get angry. You can't force your opponent to GG, sometimes ppl get upset when losing and don't want to GG, so you should understand that and don't expect one.
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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
August 18 2008 22:00 GMT
#33
I really try to say gg every time I play someone, but sometimes there are situations where it really is hard to type that lol. Like when I'm playing random people I will always say gg, if they bm or not, but if it's someone who I have some sort of history with, sometimes it can be hard for me to say it. The say I see it, just being nice in telling your opponent that they are the better player, and that you've officially given up.

It seems to be something of the opposite for me compared to other people. When I'm playing some guy on iCCup and I lose, I will always say gg, even though I will probably never see them again. When I'm playing someone I know very well and I really hate, it seems hard to give them those two letters. I don't know it seems hard to explain lol.

Example:
I'm playing with NrG.GrN or NrG.Hyuga or any other team member I'm really tight with and have a good relationship with, and game with alot. 98% of the time I will say gg regardless of how the game went. If one of these guys 4pools me, it probably won't matter to me at all.

But if I'm playing someone I know very well, like NrG.RaNgEd, and have had bm issues in the past with, or have some sort of grudge with, it seems really hard for me to type those two letters because whenever I play him, it doesn't seem like I'm just practicing, it's like the finals of a tournament and the entire job is to establish my dominance. Of course, I don't have a good record against this guy and I still don't see eye to eye with him, but I always look forward to playing with him. I hate everything about him, except for the fact that he's a good player, and that's always a good thing when finding someone to play.

Don't get me wrong, 9.5/10 of my teammates are really tight with me and I am a generally nice guy to people I don't know, but sometimes theres that guy who constantly rubs you the wrong way, and it's really hard to say gg to that kind of person.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 18 2008 22:02 GMT
#34
On August 19 2008 07:00 Valentine wrote:
The say I see it, just being nice in telling your opponent that they are the better player, and that you've officially given up.

Ah, this brings up another issue of typing out and then continuing to play. Don't you hate that? When people type out, I respond back with a very quick 'gg' and then keep playing as though they haven't given up, because too often they just go back to micro/macro -_-a
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 22:08:00
August 18 2008 22:04 GMT
#35
Um I feel very bad if I managed to beat opponent and says 'gg' and he still waits me to say it (I don't talk inside game at all because I lose my concentration AND there are people who abuse this and goes drops while you are trying to type gg back or something different). So for me if they just quit its okay if they quickly type and leave, I don't really mind.

BUT what is BADMANNER:

- whispering 'gg' after opponent left
- of course winner says 'gg' before loser
- typing something like 'gl hf' early/middle of game, for example, you managed to hurt his/her economy major way and you are in huge lead.
- at least those :D
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-18 22:06:40
August 18 2008 22:05 GMT
#36
GG is like shaking hands after a match. If it's casual between friends it's unecessary but still nice to inform your opponent he played better than you and the game is over. In a competitive setting with any sort of respect for oneanother it should be used. Even casually I still prefer if the person says at least something before they leave, or I get the feeling they're angry, think they're better than me, don't respect me, etc. Maybe that's irrational but that's how I feel.
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 18 2008 22:05 GMT
#37
I type gg every single game. I show respect not only to my opponent, but also to myself. He had to play a good game to beat me, outsmart me (This IS including ceese rushes) or outplay me, or he just gave more effort int the game than me.

And if I am winning, I show respect to the loser. He tried and lost. He played a game with me. I want to show that I enjoy it (as I do every Starcraft game)

Thats why we both deserve to exchange the good game sign.
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Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
August 18 2008 22:08 GMT
#38
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it.
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ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
August 18 2008 22:14 GMT
#39
I think you should gg as the loser, but I don't think the winner has to say it. GGing as a loser is sort of paying your respect to the better opponent, admitting they played well and respectably. The only time the loser should not gg is, well, when the game is terrible. I mean losing to a lame strategy, hit and run tactics...anything that could make you really frustrated, I don't think you have to say gg for, because both the loser and the winner wouldn't really expect to give or receive respect in a bullshit game.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 18 2008 22:16 GMT
#40
On August 19 2008 07:05 Chill wrote:
GG is like shaking hands after a match.

On August 19 2008 07:08 Raidern wrote:
gg is like shaking hands after a tennis match, you just do it.

Well when it's a league or major event, it's pretty common for hands to get shaken. In the US Open for tennis, I do notice the players always shake hands. When I played on a basketball league, we all lined up to shake hands after the game. This is consistent with the OP.

But the only place where I don't agree is that this means you should always gg. A 5-15 minute match vs someone you don't know in a competition where you don't meet is hardly the same as a 90-120 minute match which you will do only a few the entire week. There's nothing wrong with shaking hands... but I think it's overkill to expect it to always happen in every competition.
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