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TMNT
3031 Posts
Most don't embrace the concept of making points and counter points. Some don't follow the basic rules of logic. Some just argue against a strawman argument. A few simply can't collect or use the right facts in the first place. But the worst kind just put in one-liners asserting their belief without justification, and sometimes even telling others they don't know anything, which is essentially the equivalent of jerking off. | ||
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Soft_General_5023
84 Posts
On November 13 2025 23:45 TMNT wrote: Most TL users aren't great in debate though. Most don't embrace the concept of making points and counter points. Some don't follow the basic rules of logic. Some just argue against a strawman argument. A few simply can't collect or use the right facts in the first place. But the worst kind just put in one-liners asserting their belief without justification, and sometimes even telling others they don't know anything, which is essentially the equivalent of jerking off. you think your points are good? cherry picking what you want, to support your emotions about games, mostly snow losing against zerg in offline asl, and ignoring everything else? seriously what balance change you want to make? | ||
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TMNT
3031 Posts
On November 14 2025 01:06 Soft_General_5023 wrote: you think your points are good? cherry picking what you want, to support your emotions about games, mostly snow losing against zerg in offline asl, and ignoring everything else? seriously what balance change you want to make? That is 100% not the case. In fact the way you present your argument here definitely fits my description above. All are your own conclusions/beliefs. There is absolutely no justifications/evidences to prove that I am cherry picking or ignoring everything else. Like if you want to prove I'm cherry picking, quote the relevant part, explain why this is not correct. No you're not doing it. Very few are doing it (backing up their arguments with proofs and explanation) . For example, in the last page when Kraekling presented the win rates of Snow and Soma as 40 and 63%. I refuted by pointing out how they are the wrong stats to use, and presented the right ones. In that case, maybe the accusation of cherry picking may apply (to Kraekling). | ||
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Ze'ev
125 Posts
On November 13 2025 23:45 TMNT wrote: As opposed to the TMNT route which is to freak out and insult everyone. An inspiration! Most TL users aren't great in debate though. Most don't embrace the concept of making points and counter points. Some don't follow the basic rules of logic. Some just argue against a strawman argument. A few simply can't collect or use the right facts in the first place. But the worst kind just put in one-liners asserting their belief without justification, and sometimes even telling others they don't know anything, which is essentially the equivalent of jerking off. On November 14 2025 01:06 Soft_General_5023 wrote: Dont forget raging like a preteen!you think your points are good? cherry picking what you want, to support your emotions about games, mostly snow losing against zerg in offline asl, and ignoring everything else? seriously what balance change you want to make? | ||
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TMNT
3031 Posts
On November 14 2025 01:42 Ze'ev wrote: As opposed to the TMNT route which is to freak out and insult everyone. An inspiration! Dont forget raging like a preteen! You can't find a rage post from me in my entire posting history. But thanks for proving my point. You just put yourself in the worst category. Kind of madness that a user who consistently argues with critical thinking, presents accurate information, even provides visual evidences,... are met with such hostility. No one has provided counter arguments to the points made in posts #21 29 32 46 49. Yet false accusations or insults like post #62 and 64, or some sarcastic memes seem suffice. | ||
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TMNT
3031 Posts
On November 12 2025 06:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: In fact he destroyed Soma today and Soma played the 20 tricks and optimizations all he wanted but SNow basically made the perfect read. Btw hey eon I didn't understand what game you were referring to here but now I saw it as the KCM game. So in this game Soma dropped a Hydra Den right in front of Snow's eyes, but he also had Lair, then added more Hatch and Evo and looks like he was just about to play a macro game. Snow's reponse was to play a standard game and ignore the thread of Hydra bust, with only 2 Cannons built in front. And he destroyed Soma just by a simple Sair Speedlot rush (because Soma committed to too many things and couldn't afford the necessary defence). Also didn't help Soma that he expanded towards Snow's direction so the initial Zealot pressures did more damage than it should. So what did he read and how did he read here? Or in another timeline Soma could just decide to carry on with the Hydra bust and killed Snow? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6741 Posts
And the Soma vs Snow game wasnt even the most interesting shit i was talking about. Jaedong vs Snow was even more fascinating. Specially if you check Jaedong stream to see post game analysis. | ||
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TMNT
3031 Posts
On November 14 2025 07:03 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Snow made gateway first then delayed his scouting until very late. He never actually scouted Soma natural but sent 3 zealots to the second hatchery. He played with incompleted information till corsair but delayed his assimilator at the natural to get a faster citadel with zealot speed timing to counter Soma hydras. Im not sure how Soma commited to many things is good here. But then when he does it in a game where he wins it turn out into AH How protoss can know ahh he made spire den at the same time etc. But well. Your skill is dogshit so i can excuse those. I actually understood that well with the queen vs shuttle game. The interesting bit is that you are extremely critical about a zerg losing but never about a protoss. Do you realized that ? We never look at mistakes. We never found blunders. What we do is excuse them as the matchup being imbalanced. And the Soma vs Snow game wasnt even the most interesting shit i was talking about. Jaedong vs Snow was even more fascinating. Specially if you check Jaedong stream to see post game analysis. You understand that in every sport and e-sport out there, there are coaches whose skills are inferior to the players, and on top of that there are also analysts who neither coach nor play, but when it comes to understanding and analysing of the game they are second to none right? Keep talking to yourself that my skill is dogshit is, like I said, just your way of jerking off to the idea that your argument is any better than mine. Notice that when it comes to Bonyth who sides with my argument, you can't play the same card lmao. Also madness that you are still talking about that Shuttle vs Queen game as if I'm the only one who says Queen threw the game. Not just your average TLers, all the fucking pros watching that game said the same thing. I guess their skills are dogshit too? But, move on to the main point. So you're saying you can't explain how Snow "made the perfect read" there? As I don't see it anywhere in your post? Reminder that I want to know how he came to that decision of not building more cannons and go for the sair speedlot timing, not a mere description of what he did (which is what you wrote) (note that I already have an idea of why he did it , but just want to hear your analysis first) | ||
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