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Renamed To ASL20 General Discussion.
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Basically since everything previously stated unworkable has worked in pro hands, what I want next is ensnaring queens. Zerg has God awful time against Dark Archon Maelstorm which is tier 3 and take 100 mana. Queens are tier 2 and only take 75 mana. Also, queens have fastest speed and the area is 4*4, twice larger than psionic storm. Basically queens are high templars on adrenal glands upgrade. Why they haven't been used is beside me.
Some crazy strategy would involve skipping spire to develop hydralurker + queen ensnare midgame bust, earlier than defilers, yet that much faster to execute.
PS: napkin math time; the entire hydralisk tree plus 1 queen with ensnare research costs the same as 7 mutalisks. I think hydralisks and lurkers with a single queen can exert more pressure than 7 mutalisks.
PS 2: 7 mutalisks are equal to less than 5 hydralisks, however against marines they are equal to 9 hydralisks. Delving deeper, that was the attack rate comparison. However defensively, mutalisk still have an edge. Past 10 however, zerg quickly runs out of gas since it takes three times less gas to make 13 hydralisks vs 10 mutalisks, so it would take equal amount of gas for zerg to make +3 mutalisks past the initial 7 that 13 hydralisks would cost. Zerg only has a small units weakness with hydralisks which the queens sort out. With mutalisks as I said, you would need a much slower ramp up past the initial 7 and zerglings to go along with mutalisks. If we were to double army size with mutalisks, you could have 4 times as many hydralisks if you hadn't. Coupled with ensnare, you could run away with the game very easily.
TL;DR: The entire build tree takes 1000/1000 which is the same as 10 Mutalisks and 1/3 of that is the gas cost of 13 Hydralisks, so at 10 Mutalisks & 13 Hydralisks, 13 Mutalisks & 26 Hydralisks, the gas cost is the same.
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I'm so happy matchmakers take our comments seriously. I mean JyJ and ASL15. That 7th game on 76... hopefully there will be another lucky strike. Those are game defining moments. I haven't been this optimistic for terran since the bgh shit that has been plaguing the tournament for decades. Time for some slayers boxer nostalgia!
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Anyone know why the ASL host is new this season?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50596 Posts
The previous host is pregnant.
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On September 08 2025 13:21 mtcn77 wrote:
Basically since everything previously stated unworkable has worked in pro hands, what I want next is ensnaring queens. Zerg has God awful time against Dark Archon Maelstorm which is tier 3 and take 100 mana. Queens are tier 2 and only take 75 mana. Also, queens have fastest speed and the area is 4*4, twice larger than psionic storm. Basically queens are high templars on adrenal glands upgrade. Why they haven't been used is beside me.
Some crazy strategy would involve skipping spire to develop hydralurker + queen ensnare midgame bust, earlier than defilers, yet that much faster to execute.
PS: napkin math time; the entire hydralisk tree plus 1 queen with ensnare research costs the same as 7 mutalisks. I think hydralisks and lurkers with a single queen can exert more pressure than 7 mutalisks.
PS 2: 7 mutalisks are equal to less than 5 hydralisks, however against marines they are equal to 9 hydralisks. Delving deeper, that was the attack rate comparison. However defensively, mutalisk still have an edge. Past 10 however, zerg quickly runs out of gas since it takes three times less gas to make 13 hydralisks vs 10 mutalisks, so it would take equal amount of gas for zerg to make +3 mutalisks past the initial 7 that 13 hydralisks would cost. Zerg only has a small units weakness with hydralisks which the queens sort out. With mutalisks as I said, you would need a much slower ramp up past the initial 7 and zerglings to go along with mutalisks. If we were to double army size with mutalisks, you could have 4 times as many hydralisks if you hadn't. Coupled with ensnare, you could run away with the game very easily.
TL;DR: The entire build tree takes 1000/1000 which is the same as 10 Mutalisks and 1/3 of that is the gas cost of 13 Hydralisks, so at 10 Mutalisks & 13 Hydralisks, 13 Mutalisks & 26 Hydralisks, the gas cost is the same.
I've been saying it for years. Zergs need to incorporate 1 queen and parasite into their ZvT matchups. Parasite the first science vessel. Ez GG
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terrans will counter with restoration gg
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Just gonna say it here... Effort is the man.
Oozes confidence, has the highest win rate in ASL out of any player except Flash (higher than Soulkey)
IMO has more potential than Soulkey as well. Soulkey's ZvZ I feel like is still a coin flip, but I would give Effort winning odds
against literally everyone except Mini
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Sharp was willing to play Roaring Currents against Larva, so there is a slight chance that it sees play in Group C. I'm not sure what the pro evaluation is on it in TvP, especially since the last two daily pro league TvP games I saw on it featured proxy gateways that were scouted and then handled terribly by the Terran.
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On September 12 2025 08:31 polgas wrote:
Anyone know why the ASL host is new this season?
She's married to a pro player too (an old dota 2 pro player)
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Very interesting play-offs coming up. Hope for some sick games.
Protoss FIGHTING!
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lmao there's a decent chance top4 is all protoss
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On September 17 2025 22:14 seRapH wrote:
lmao there's a decent chance top4 is all protoss
I'd say that 1 Protoss in the ro4 is more likely than 4.
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I missed the sale of tickets to see ASL live. A horror story I prefer to keep for myself, but if you intend to do it be prepared, it sold out in 15seconds, don't even think about a laptop without mouse and trying to take 2 tickets.
I will be in Seoul for the match 1 (barracks vs best) and match 2 (snow vs effort).
So now I can only ask, how I could go to see one of the matches, I'm ready to pay a higher price, to go in front of studios waiting for people to not show up, anything.
The probability that someone that got an extra spot in one the matches is near 0, since there's like 70seats lol, but I will try my luck asking everywhere. Maybe there's a way, maybe Koreans are reselling them somewhere?
If there's something I can do, let me know, I've been watching brood war before YouTube was a thing, where we shared 70mo vods on internet that took a day to DL, from now until my trip there, it will be my life mission to find a spot in one of these matches
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Netherlands1057 Posts
On September 18 2025 19:20 PlzTicketSir wrote:
I missed the sale of tickets to see ASL live. A horror story I prefer to keep for myself, but if you intend to do it be prepared, it sold out in 15seconds, don't even think about a laptop without mouse and trying to take 2 tickets.
I will be in Seoul for the match 1 (barracks vs best) and match 2 (snow vs effort).
So now I can only ask, how I could go to see one of the matches, I'm ready to pay a higher price, to go in front of studios waiting for people to not show up, anything.
The probability that someone that got an extra spot in one the matches is near 0, since there's like 70seats lol, but I will try my luck asking everywhere. Maybe there's a way, maybe Koreans are reselling them somewhere?
If there's something I can do, let me know, I've been watching brood war before YouTube was a thing, where we shared 70mo vods on internet that took a day to DL, from now until my trip there, it will be my life mission to find a spot in one of these matches
Goodluck on your journey to get some tickets.
That aside. out of the 8 remaining, how would you rank them on terms of skills/powerlevel?
Soma
SnOw
Bisu
Best
EffOrt
Mini
Larva
Barracks
Marginal differences in skill.
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I don't think it matters its more about the matchups.
I see Snow going to final if he can pass Effort.
On the other side I feel like Soma is ready to go to final.
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Netherlands1057 Posts
On September 18 2025 20:36 PlzTicketSir wrote:
I don't think it matters its more about the matchups.
I see Snow going to final if he can pass Effort.
On the other side I feel like Soma is ready to go to final.
SnOw vs SoMa will be hype.
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