On May 31 2025 19:09 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Hands down Idra was really talented for sure.
And he really tried, I think Special(Major) was also possible to break through if given more time back in the days if SC2 didn't come out and everyone swapped.
They were there trying at a good time honestly.
technically speaking we already have a foreign success story in Scan. He learned BW in America during his teenage years. While korean born he only went back to Korea after pretty much already being the best player not currently in Korea. He is a "foreign" talent in that sense because he spent a long time in America.
This is not true. Scan was already insane when he went to the US. He just farmed from the US. I remember someone saying he was an online T1 practise partner but im not sure how real that was.
I don't think Scan was a T1 practice partner during those iccup times when he first arrived. He was playing protoss and doing proxy gates only for quite some time.
Now im joining here in unkown ground since i was a mediocre c rank with bad stats in 2009.
was A- 9400 rating not impressive at all ? cuz back then i could only dream about getting in that Only B rank channel LOL.
If Scan indeed reached that insane level in Usa that is truly impressive. But the word back then is that he was already freaking good when he went to the US. In fact didnt join a pro team for that reason.
When he first came to iccup and started streaming he was playing protoss and doing 2 gate mid only. TSL times were quite a bit of time after he started playing on iccup,
On May 31 2025 19:09 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Hands down Idra was really talented for sure.
And he really tried, I think Special(Major) was also possible to break through if given more time back in the days if SC2 didn't come out and everyone swapped.
They were there trying at a good time honestly.
technically speaking we already have a foreign success story in Scan. He learned BW in America during his teenage years. While korean born he only went back to Korea after pretty much already being the best player not currently in Korea. He is a "foreign" talent in that sense because he spent a long time in America.
This is not true. Scan was already insane when he went to the US. He just farmed from the US. I remember someone saying he was an online T1 practise partner but im not sure how real that was.
I don't think Scan was a T1 practice partner during those iccup times when he first arrived. He was playing protoss and doing proxy gates only for quite some time.
Now im joining here in unkown ground since i was a mediocre c rank with bad stats in 2009.
was A- 9400 rating not impressive at all ? cuz back then i could only dream about getting in that Only B rank channel LOL.
If Scan indeed reached that insane level in Usa that is truly impressive. But the word back then is that he was already freaking good when he went to the US. In fact didnt join a pro team for that reason.
When he first came to iccup and started streaming he was playing protoss and doing 2 gate mid only. TSL times were quite a bit of time after he started playing on iccup,
Sorry but this story doesnt add up. Are you saying Scan was streaming before 2009 ? And He basically switched from being a protoss user that proxy 2 gates to a crazy good Terran player in such a period of time ? LOL . Scan twitch channel was made in september 2010. You are proly mixing things up since that was a long time ago. Anyway who cares. Scan is not a foreigner.
On May 31 2025 19:09 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Hands down Idra was really talented for sure.
And he really tried, I think Special(Major) was also possible to break through if given more time back in the days if SC2 didn't come out and everyone swapped.
They were there trying at a good time honestly.
technically speaking we already have a foreign success story in Scan. He learned BW in America during his teenage years. While korean born he only went back to Korea after pretty much already being the best player not currently in Korea. He is a "foreign" talent in that sense because he spent a long time in America.
This is not true. Scan was already insane when he went to the US. He just farmed from the US. I remember someone saying he was an online T1 practise partner but im not sure how real that was.
I don't think Scan was a T1 practice partner during those iccup times when he first arrived. He was playing protoss and doing proxy gates only for quite some time.
Now im joining here in unkown ground since i was a mediocre c rank with bad stats in 2009.
was A- 9400 rating not impressive at all ? cuz back then i could only dream about getting in that Only B rank channel LOL.
If Scan indeed reached that insane level in Usa that is truly impressive. But the word back then is that he was already freaking good when he went to the US. In fact didnt join a pro team for that reason.
When he first came to iccup and started streaming he was playing protoss and doing 2 gate mid only. TSL times were quite a bit of time after he started playing on iccup,
Sorry but this story doesnt add up. Are you saying Scan was streaming before 2009 ? And He basically switched from being a protoss user that proxy 2 gates to a crazy good Terran player in such a period of time ? LOL . Scan twitch channel was made in september 2010. You are proly mixing things up since that was a long time ago. Anyway who cares. Scan is not a foreigner.
Yes scan was streaming before that. He was C+ B- doing proxy gates. Pretty sure it was on Justin.tv. Long ass time ago but yeah he improved like crazy in a short amount of time. Remember Koll? He went from D to A- in months with muta only lol.
On May 31 2025 19:09 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Hands down Idra was really talented for sure.
And he really tried, I think Special(Major) was also possible to break through if given more time back in the days if SC2 didn't come out and everyone swapped.
They were there trying at a good time honestly.
technically speaking we already have a foreign success story in Scan. He learned BW in America during his teenage years. While korean born he only went back to Korea after pretty much already being the best player not currently in Korea. He is a "foreign" talent in that sense because he spent a long time in America.
This is not true. Scan was already insane when he went to the US. He just farmed from the US. I remember someone saying he was an online T1 practise partner but im not sure how real that was.
I don't think Scan was a T1 practice partner during those iccup times when he first arrived. He was playing protoss and doing proxy gates only for quite some time.
Now im joining here in unkown ground since i was a mediocre c rank with bad stats in 2009.
was A- 9400 rating not impressive at all ? cuz back then i could only dream about getting in that Only B rank channel LOL.
If Scan indeed reached that insane level in Usa that is truly impressive. But the word back then is that he was already freaking good when he went to the US. In fact didnt join a pro team for that reason.
When he first came to iccup and started streaming he was playing protoss and doing 2 gate mid only. TSL times were quite a bit of time after he started playing on iccup,
Sorry but this story doesnt add up. Are you saying Scan was streaming before 2009 ? And He basically switched from being a protoss user that proxy 2 gates to a crazy good Terran player in such a period of time ? LOL . Scan twitch channel was made in september 2010. You are proly mixing things up since that was a long time ago. Anyway who cares. Scan is not a foreigner.
Yes scan was streaming before that. He was C+ B- doing proxy gates. Pretty sure it was on Justin.tv. Long ass time ago but yeah he improved like crazy in a short amount of time. Remember Koll? He went from D to A- in months with muta only lol.
I remember the Kolll hype! He's a good example I think of how you can smash it on ladder with one, very tightly honed skill, but that would certainly never translate to tournament success IMO because you'd just be fully countered every time.
On June 02 2025 11:47 spets1 wrote: Weren't Legionnaire and Elky in Pro league
I mean yeah foreigners were doing stuff very early doors.
It’s a bit of a different beast nowadays, people have been grinding decades, plus there’s other barriers
Let’s say I had a freakish genetic predisposition to being good at baseball. How would I ever get to Major League Baseball?
Nobody else really plays it in Northern Ireland at any level or the UK at large, or in Ireland. I’m already going to be worse at the game than an average American kid who plays all the time. I can’t close that gap locally, because those around me aren’t even as good as me.
So I’m sorta left to either emigrate to some baseball hotspot somewhere, or my baseball dream is dead. But even if I go there’s a high chance I don’t make it, versus just having a comfortable existence where I am.
Which is basically what a foreigner is going through if we’re talking cracking the Korean BW scene now to any level.
Not impossible and fun to theorycraft, and man it would be cool to see but realistic it is not.
On June 02 2025 11:47 spets1 wrote: Weren't Legionnaire and Elky in Pro league
I mean yeah foreigners were doing stuff very early doors.
It’s a bit of a different beast nowadays, people have been grinding decades, plus there’s other barriers
Let’s say I had a freakish genetic predisposition to being good at baseball. How would I ever get to Major League Baseball?
Nobody else really plays it in Northern Ireland at any level or the UK at large, or in Ireland. I’m already going to be worse at the game than an average American kid who plays all the time. I can’t close that gap locally, because those around me aren’t even as good as me.
So I’m sorta left to either emigrate to some baseball hotspot somewhere, or my baseball dream is dead. But even if I go there’s a high chance I don’t make it, versus just having a comfortable existence where I am.
Which is basically what a foreigner is going through if we’re talking cracking the Korean BW scene now to any level.
Not impossible and fun to theorycraft, and man it would be cool to see but realistic it is not.
Not to mention even if someone is good at laddering, tournament game are so much more different, and game you get with practice partners............
Saddest part is we arn't even playing the same game with 24TR low vs w/e TR you'd otherwise play with people from Korea.
to be honest. Dewalt is able to play koreans on mostly 24TR High. Sometimes on Low. He has by far the best conditions to play in vs Koreans. Most of the Chinese play on worse than that vs Koreans. I think Dewalt has a legitimate chance if he can get someone to help him improve on his decision making flow charting.
On May 31 2025 19:09 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Hands down Idra was really talented for sure.
And he really tried, I think Special(Major) was also possible to break through if given more time back in the days if SC2 didn't come out and everyone swapped.
They were there trying at a good time honestly.
technically speaking we already have a foreign success story in Scan. He learned BW in America during his teenage years. While korean born he only went back to Korea after pretty much already being the best player not currently in Korea. He is a "foreign" talent in that sense because he spent a long time in America.
This is not true. Scan was already insane when he went to the US. He just farmed from the US. I remember someone saying he was an online T1 practise partner but im not sure how real that was.
I don't think Scan was a T1 practice partner during those iccup times when he first arrived. He was playing protoss and doing proxy gates only for quite some time.
Now im joining here in unkown ground since i was a mediocre c rank with bad stats in 2009.
was A- 9400 rating not impressive at all ? cuz back then i could only dream about getting in that Only B rank channel LOL.
If Scan indeed reached that insane level in Usa that is truly impressive. But the word back then is that he was already freaking good when he went to the US. In fact didnt join a pro team for that reason.
When he first came to iccup and started streaming he was playing protoss and doing 2 gate mid only. TSL times were quite a bit of time after he started playing on iccup,
Sorry but this story doesnt add up. Are you saying Scan was streaming before 2009 ? And He basically switched from being a protoss user that proxy 2 gates to a crazy good Terran player in such a period of time ? LOL . Scan twitch channel was made in september 2010. You are proly mixing things up since that was a long time ago. Anyway who cares. Scan is not a foreigner.
Yes scan was streaming before that. He was C+ B- doing proxy gates. Pretty sure it was on Justin.tv. Long ass time ago but yeah he improved like crazy in a short amount of time. Remember Koll? He went from D to A- in months with muta only lol.
theres people that go from C to 2400 with muta only...
On June 04 2025 00:02 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: to be honest. Dewalt is able to play koreans on mostly 24TR High. Sometimes on Low. He has by far the best conditions to play in vs Koreans. Most of the Chinese play on worse than that vs Koreans. I think Dewalt has a legitimate chance if he can get someone to help him improve on his decision making flow charting.
Certainly not true, check out my latency from China:
On June 04 2025 00:02 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: to be honest. Dewalt is able to play koreans on mostly 24TR High. Sometimes on Low. He has by far the best conditions to play in vs Koreans. Most of the Chinese play on worse than that vs Koreans. I think Dewalt has a legitimate chance if he can get someone to help him improve on his decision making flow charting.
Certainly not true, check out my latency from China:
Really? I have TR24 high lat vs most of koreans, and TR14 low vs most of chineese, so if i did the math correctly, it would make sense for chineese to have TR24 low vs koreans
On June 05 2025 14:51 Bonyth wrote: Really? I have TR24 high lat vs most of koreans, and TR14 low vs most of chineese, so if i did the math correctly, it would make sense for chineese to have TR24 low vs koreans
yes they are play 24low(good speed) against Koreans with VPN as i know. except maybe Zhanhun he has some problem with connection sometimes.
On June 05 2025 14:51 Bonyth wrote: Really? I have TR24 high lat vs most of koreans, and TR14 low vs most of chineese, so if i did the math correctly, it would make sense for chineese to have TR24 low vs koreans
Could be some circumstanial instances I remembered, which might not be an accurate reflection of reality.
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