EPTBSL statement about Rapid casting in LAN - Page 3
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Chaosu
Poland404 Posts
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ShadPro
Poland28 Posts
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ESC.BlAckSuN
Germany49 Posts
Organizing an event and making everything 100% perfect is hardly impossible. It was truly a mistake to give him the chance to cast. ZZZero did give him a chance only on day 1 for like 4h. That's probably also when everything was still very disorganized and he might have been like: "Well better one Rapid as cast as noone". Still not a great idea but then again. We all make mistakes and it is Rapid who did all these things and not ZZZero who did bad. Rapid should be ashamed of his actions (if all true) at least explain himself which he never did and he should not attend any events (which he didn't until now). + it seems like ZZZero didn't even invite him to this one. Still BSL is one of the only big events outside Korea and Zero did sooooo much for this community as well as Rus_Brain and other people in the orga team. I have never seen any big flaws from their side so I will 100% still continue watching the events as long as he is not actively promoting Rapid or excusing the things he has done. Rapid is not BSL, he was kicked from regular BSL casts immediately around 3 years ago. He has no real support from BSL so BSL is not Rapid. It's good that people raised their concerns so that the community sees that we do not tolerate such a behavior as seemingly shown by Rapid, but then again there's a big difference between his action and eveything BSL does or stands for. | ||
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G5
United States2919 Posts
On December 15 2023 08:54 Chaosu wrote: G5 maybe you're right about top foreigners disappearing, but please give everyone on LAN benefit of doubt for a week. Players went to LAN in holiday destination, some with their partners (seen in streams) and they are enjoying their holidays. I'm sure we all agree that these few days in sun, on holidays, when it's winter in your home country, are time when you'd rather stay offline and enjoy peace rather than drama. Oh I 100% agree with that. It's also hard to be harsh and direct to someone when you're looking at them face to face and they're being nothing but nice to you. My statement wasn't just about this event. Just something as a whole that I recognize. | ||
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ShadPro
Poland28 Posts
On December 15 2023 09:23 ESC.BlAckSuN wrote: As long time BWCL Member, Organisator and Clan leader I feel like I should comment too. Organizing an event and making everything 100% perfect is hardly impossible. It was truly a mistake to give him the chance to cast. ZZZero did give him a chance only on day 1 for like 4h. That's probably also when everything was still very disorganized and he might have been like: "Well better one Rapid as cast as noone". Still not a great idea but then again. We all make mistakes and it is Rapid who did all these things and not ZZZero who did bad. Rapid should be ashamed of his actions (if all true) at least explain himself which he never did and he should not attend any events (which he didn't until now). + it seems like ZZZero didn't even invite him to this one. Still BSL is one of the only big events outside Korea and Zero did sooooo much for this community as well as Rus_Brain and other people in the orga team. I have never seen any big flaws from their side so I will 100% still continue watching the events as long as he is not actively promoting Rapid or excusing the things he has done. Rapid is not BSL, he was kicked from regular BSL casts immediately around 3 years ago. He has no real support from BSL so BSL is not Rapid. It's good that people raised their concerns so that the community sees that we do not tolerate such a behavior as seemingly shown by Rapid, but then again there's a big difference between his action and eveything BSL does or stands for. My man, voice of reason | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
I watched and here's a pretty quick summary of what Bonyth said: He said that no one knew that Rapid was coming, and he doesn't think that ZZZero knew about Rapid. He agreed with the decision to remove Rapid. He also discussed what the proper punishment was for Rapid, and also thinks that Rapid should give some form of apology or statement. On December 15 2023 08:37 G5 wrote: 2. Almost every top foreigner just disappears and can't be found when there's any critique against ZZZero, Rus_Brain, or others. Maybe it's because they are friends with Rus_Brain, ZZZero, Rapid, etc. (I've had good experiences with ZZZero for example) or they don't want to say anything that would get them kicked off the "in-list" and prevent them from being invited to things, or whatever. Or maybe they just don't care. Who knows. I respect Eon and the few others whom speak up and say it like they see it though because most foreigners or notable figures in the foreign scene just disappear. There's honestly very few strong voices in the foreign community. I think this is what I'm worried about. Yes, Rus_Brain is a big player in terms of trying to make events and fund them. However, that also gives him lots of power over the scene in terms of people not wanting to speak up against him if we disagree with him. Case in point, in his explanation in the original thread regarding his decision to get Rapid, he spoke about how he's the one organizing and working hard. And that's great. But that should not mean that you are insulated from criticism, or that we cannot challenge your decision making, such as inviting Rapid. It also seems, that based on the interactions with Rus_Brain in the threads, that he's a bit of an asshole and refuses to take responsibility. Is this the kind of person we want effectively being the main sponsor of the foreign scene? Is it worth the juice? Idk, it's a tough question and certainly the top foreigners who profit from these events have an incentive to keep him around. It's definitely a very difficult position to be in. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1202 Posts
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KwarK
United States43350 Posts
Glad to hear that it wasn’t your idea. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2925 Posts
WCG was not a flawless tournament free from controversies either, regardless of years of learnings, giant budgets and support. I think it would be good for the Tournament Organizers committee to issue a closing statement as a follow-up on this therad. The good intentions are appreciated by everyone, but they do not exempt one from adhering to poroper etiquette & accountability. Especially since this escalated the situation disproportionately, started a witch hunt on ZZZero and caused disputes within the community. It would only be appropriate, put some closure to it & at the least prevent any further undesired communication from continuing on and being fragmented. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3422 Posts
On December 16 2023 02:55 Smorrie wrote: It seems some misjudgements might have been made, but nobody is in support of sexual abuse. WCG was not a flawless tournament free from controversies either, regardless of years of learnings, giant budgets and support. I think it would be good for the Tournament Organizers committee to issue a closing statement as a follow-up on this therad. The good intentions are appreciated by everyone, but they do not exempt one from adhering to poroper etiquette & accountability. Especially since this escalated the situation disproportionately, started a witch hunt on ZZZero and caused disputes within the community. It would only be appropriate, put some closure to it & at the least prevent any further undesired communication from continuing on and being fragmented. Yes, we are working on one, because of the amount of people who signed the statement it is taking some time as you can imagine so it can be satisfactory to every one. All of your points are well made and well taken Edit: here it is, I also edited our OP in the other thread to have it all self contained: Here is a quick summary of the facts as they appear right now: 1. Zzzero was unaware of Rapid's invitation to the event. 2. Zzzero was not the person who invited Rapid. At present we do not know who that person was. 3. Zzzero acknowledges that allowing Rapid to cast during day one of the event was a mistake. In retrospect, he regrets his decision and owns up to that mistake. He also pointed out that the situation during day one was rather chaotic and that, along other reasons, led to eventually letting Rapid cast for a limited time. 4.Allowing Rapid to cast was in no way a premature and unannounced lift of his **existing** BSL ban. It was a rushed ill-advised decision that Zzzero feels sorry about. We thank Zzzero for addressing this issue in a timely manner. We all greatly appreciate ZZZero's work and BSL. While we regret what happened, we are satisfied with the explanation and would like nothing more than to move past this. ``` | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5198 Posts
Thanks again for owning your mistake and taking action, ZZZero. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
I've talked with Rapid about it and told him that I hope that he will make some kind of a statement where he explains all this and shows his side of the story, at the same time he knows that I won't bring him back to the casts, at least not until he will clarify the situation, adress the allegations, apologize to some people and resolve this matter. The things he did, some of them are literally criminal. There is no "resolving this matter". He can't take back what he did, nor can he attempt to apologise over 6 years later in some cases, he's clearly shown zero remorse throughout the entire thing and the number of people he's hurt outnumber the number of years he's tried to hide himself away from criticism. The least he can do is apologise; although even apologising doesn't change what he's done and I genuinely don't think it's a good idea to have someone like that anywhere near our scene. I know he was your friend as he was mine, he was at your wedding and he stayed at my house and I showed him around London with Cadenzie. We were his second chance. He did the same thing during his League days, never mentioned any of that to anyone and has shown himself to be a pathalogical liar. I don't understand how anyone could trust him after what he's done, let alone let him be in the public eye. Rapid if you're reading this - I was genuinely hoping to never see or hear from you again. You can't take back what you did even if you do apologise - which you've somehow managed to never attempt to do in at least the last 3 years plus however many years you were doing what you were doing in the League scene. You were kicked out of there and wormed your way into ours - hiding everything that came before. You're never going to face any kind of justice for what you did, but the least you can do is disappear and go work a normal job and stay the hell away from all of us. You are a despicable human being and I hope you do at least one good thing in your life by finding a place where you'll no longer hurt anyone else and rot in it. | ||
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KwarK
United States43350 Posts
You don’t get to claim that the time you spent on the run from punishment counts against whatever punishment you’re subsequently claiming. The clock on any ban has yet to be started and won’t start until Rapid actually takes responsibility for addressing this issue. | ||
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ruhtraeel
Canada125 Posts
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ScrappyRabbit
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tedster
984 Posts
On December 14 2023 15:08 ZZZero.O wrote: I've talked with Rapid about it and told him that I hope that he will make some kind of a statement where he explains all this and shows his side of the story, at the same time he knows that I won't bring him back to the casts, at least not until he will clarify the situation, adress the allegations, apologize to some people and resolve this matter. You need to know that banning Rapid was one of the hardest things I've done during all those years of working on StarCraft. I know him for a long time, as he was casting BSL for multiple seasons and I wish him all the best, at the same time he didn't do anything to address any of the allegations towards him. Rapid for now will be banned from casting indefinitely. . You probably won't ever read this, but I think you need to take a long hard look at this part of your statement, ZZZero. It's incredibly common for people who are friends with abusers/sexual predators to excuse their actions to themselves because "you've known them a long time" or "they've always been a good friend to you". The problem here is that you're conflating your good experiences as someone who isn't at all a subject of their predation with other peoples' very real trauma. Yeah, he's been cool to you: you're not an underage girl he's trying to sleep with. This is enabling behavior, and is what allows predators to get away with sexual violence all the time, and if you allow yourself to engage in it use it to shield and empower the aggressor, you're bearing some burden of the responsibility for their sexual violence. I want to repeat that: you are choosing to bear some of the responsibility of his actions with this choice because you are shielding him and giving him more of a forum to hurt people, whether through his actions or simply his continued presence. The fact that you're already rationalizing a path to allowing him to cast again (apologizing to "some" people? as if that somehow resolves the matter?) shows that you've already, on some level, convinced yourself to do this. You are trying to find an excuse to put your friendship ahead of the well-being of the many women he has sexually harassed, minors he has groomed or attempted to groom, and the Brood War community at large. This is your chance to re-evaluate and pick the better path. You have every right to privately maintain your friendship with Rapid and encourage him to grow into a better person. I personally hope he does. But you sure as hell should keep that personal decision away from the Brood War scene and the many people his presence will continue to hurt, if you value the work you've done there even the slightest. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway751 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
On December 17 2023 17:00 Timebon3s wrote: That’s taking it way to far. Putting someone in a position of prominance/power in front of a community that person has actively preyed upon is definitely choosing to take on some of the responsibility for that person's actions and the harm/trauma they cause. That's how being in a position of responsibility (which ZZZero is) works. It's no different than when the high-ups at a company shield a sexually-harassing manager that they like - the company/execs bear responsibility for the actions they knowingly cover up/protect. Again, there's a huge difference between choosing to support someone in your private life, which isn't something I'd ever criticise like this, and using your public forum to prop that person at the expense of people they've hurt. You can support someone and encourage them to grow and learn and improve without giving them the mic again and forcing other people to deal with it who haven't consented to forgive and forget. | ||
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psd
France93 Posts
Best you can go for : blame him for allowing someone banned on stream, and be mad about it. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
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