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I'm not sure I'm getting your point though. How would generating a trend help him stay at the top?
It wouldn't (quite the opposite, actually, as it lets people gain more experience vs his playing style). But what I think is the point is that it would mark him as an "era-defining player", which is what I think bonjwa truly means (3-time MSL champ + OSL win + subsequent slump is not really an interesting definition, just an interesting and fun trend to note).
If Bisu's playing style, especially his PvZ style, becomes standard then it will mark a whole new era in Starcraft play.
Also to whoever said mirror matchups are about luck, thats not true, its just applied to ZvZ because of the build order uncertainty and the way the game can change on a dime, as well as the fact that ZvZ is just really hard to understand even at a pro level, which leads to lower winning consistency. Even then you have ZvZ dominant players like Chojja who win because they have a deep understanding of the matchup and the necessary skills to play very low econ zerg. PvP isn't anymore luck based than PvZ.
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well i guess we know who's winning the next msl.
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Mind, silly.
No.. seriously, he has shown he's a damn good player, but it's not always the next bonjwa that knocks out the current.
I don't think that Bisu would have to do the EXACT same sequence of wins or whatever to really count. Maybe he only gets 2 MSLs and an OSL (probably this season) and then falls from grace.
In a general sense it's more like a trend of winning a lot and then falling out.. so in that sense maybe this is the end for Bisu.
BUT... I don't think so. There's no sign that Bisu is slipping in a general sense. Iris somehow managed to 3:0 Stork last season even though Stork should have owned him. It happens sometimes. 67% winning means you still lose a third of your games.
Anyway, I think that as someone else was saying, the more important thing is yeah, when a player comes in with something new and revolutionizes play. Bisu hasn't exactly changed things majorly, except he has brought a new style of PvZ to the game, and with it forced a new style of ZvP which is currently rebalancing things as players get used to it.
In the sense that a bonjwa represents an era, Bisu is definitely one. For a time he was and still mostly is THE player to beat.
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On November 19 2007 06:54 f10esqftw wrote:
Mind, silly
Bisu, to get 3/4, silly 
but this also means he can't win this OSL (bonjwa's don't win OSL before 3 MSL wins). Or maybe he'll win it just to proove the superstitions wrong?
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On November 17 2007 08:31 marshmallow wrote:
Those who are amazed that these excellent SC players all have a birthday in November shouldn't be. It's an interesting fact, but the calculations people are doing here are off by a lot.
For example, in a group of just seven random people, it is more likely than not that two of them will have a birthday within a week of each other. Also, in a group of 23 people there's a 50% probability that one pair will share the same birthday.
Look up the "birthday problem" or "birthday paradox" to see why. Wikipedia has a nice article on it.
I had the opportunity to listen to a presentation about that @ class, one of my old classmates did it. It's pretty interesting
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Guess the chain is broken with Bisu losing the MSL, and its going to be even more broken when he loses in OSL to Savior. 
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The chain isn't broken, Bisu still has next season to win his third MSL, and then the OSL afterwards.
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Update: Bisu just further demonstrated his bonjwa-ness by, again, convincingly beating Savior (Savior vs Bisu stats updated on OP).
He's still supposed not to win this OSL, though... but who knows.
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after seeing game 2 i solidly know that its impossible to beat bisu.
spores maybe.. ensnare would've been key
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On December 01 2007 01:02 PoP wrote:Update: Bisu just further demonstrated his bonjwa-ness by, again, convincingly beating Savior (Savior vs Bisu stats updated on OP). He's still supposed not to win this OSL, though... but who knows.
Yes considering the level he can still lose. But DAMN I hope he will take it.
Historical patterns are made to be wrong in the future.
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i think only STORK or JAEDONG (if Stork beat bisu) has a shot to win this OSL, maybe the prediction will be not true......
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On December 02 2007 03:29 trollbone wrote:
i think only STORK or JAEDONG (if Stork beat bisu) has a shot to win this OSL, maybe the prediction will be not true......
Hehe
Jaedong stands no chance
Stork has a chance of beating bisu
Although I have this feeling that Upmagic will pull off upsets and win this OSL
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Well i guess it's just natural that a new comer who's kinda better beat the lastest top player.
it's kinda normal... if the same player was going to dominate progaming until progaming ends well... that wouldn't be much fun for us and even for the progamers -_-!
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Upmagic winning the OSL would be great; he's been around for quite some time and has shown tremendous creativity in the past. I swear Savior should have won  I don't think adaption can change bisu's pvz godlyness.
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On December 01 2007 01:02 PoP wrote:
Update: Bisu just further demonstrated his bonjwa-ness by, again, convincingly beating Savior (Savior vs Bisu stats updated on OP).
As a hard-core saviour fan, I think you are doing Saviour a disservice.
Im going to say this straight up; in my opinion Saviour was beaten by the maps not Bisu.
Game one was a convincing win for Saviour
Game two Saviour had it in the bag, his drop completely destroyed Bisus expansion and at the same time Bisus main entrance lost its reaver and both cannons. Saviour was in his base and all over him when suddenly, instead of a stream of hydras to finish the game, the reinforcements dried up. Why ? He was mining from FOUR bases compared to Bisu's ONE.
Because of the way the main and northern expansion were seperated by a short distance for Bisus' corsairs, but the walls forced Saviours' hydras to run about 3 times as far, making it almost impossible to guard his spawning overlords. I still think Saviour should have put up two spore colonies to stop Bisu darting freeing between the two bases, but ultimately Saviour fell foul to the same terrain issus that favour Toss over Terran.
Game three Saviour was beaten by the spawn points, they were as far apart as it is possible to be, by the time saviour could even get to Bisus base he had something like 6 cannons up. Even then Saviour was dominating Bisu until, by luck, Bisu forced saviour to abort a drop in his main which was completely defenceless when his corsairs luckily went past his overlords.
Did Saviour play perfectly ? Hell no, but he was on the same level as Bisu in all 3 games, and ultimately was defeated by the maps because in a match which is so finely balanced, these things play in.
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On December 02 2007 04:12 tKd_ wrote:Upmagic winning the OSL would be great; he's been around for quite some time and has shown tremendous creativity in the past. I swear Savior should have won I don't think adaption can change bisu's pvz godlyness.
You think like me! UpMagiC for OSL!
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
Bisu forced saviour to abort a drop in his main which was completely defenceless when his corsairs luckily went past his overlords.
If you are calling this part of the game luck you are foolish. Of course Bisu knows the exact drop timing.
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On December 02 2007 05:59 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +Bisu forced saviour to abort a drop in his main which was completely defenceless when his corsairs luckily went past his overlords. If you are calling this part of the game luck you are foolish. Of course Bisu knows the exact drop timing.
Bisu was scouting for any Saviour expansions he had not found and discovered the drop coming from a base he had not previously scouted. That is luck.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 02 2007 06:45 Wraithlin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2007 05:59 Rekrul wrote:Bisu forced saviour to abort a drop in his main which was completely defenceless when his corsairs luckily went past his overlords. If you are calling this part of the game luck you are foolish. Of course Bisu knows the exact drop timing. Bisu was scouting for any Saviour expansions he had not found and discovered the drop coming from a base he had not previously scouted. That is luck.
No, it's skill. YEAH OKAY AFTER A HUNDRED THOUSAND PVZ PRACTICE GAMES AGAINST TOP ZERG PLAYERS HE'S GOING TO JUST NORMALLY DIE TO SOME RETARDED STANDARD DROP UNLESS HE LUCKILY SCOUTS IT WITH CORSAIRS.
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