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United States22883 Posts
On December 03 2007 10:39 pyrogenetix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2007 08:01 Wraithlin wrote:
Except if you read my post (which you clearly didnt) I said that Savior was unlucky because their starting positions were as far away as was possible on that map, which in turn made making a sucessful drop that much harder. If you magically think Bisu knew there was a drop coming from a base he had not even scouted, then that is what you believe Im not going to attack you the way you attack me. Personally I think Bisu was scouting for expansions and spotted the incoming drop, if it had been second alter he wouldnt have know it was coming.
And you still havent answered my comments on game 2.
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I could believe Bisu was scouting for Saviours overlords, knowing they were not in his main, and that there were certain areas where Savior was most likely to be hiding them but I dont believe he was explictally looking for a drop.
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Yes, Bisu did an amazing job of killing overlords to stem Saviours flow of reinforcements into his open base after the drop and front attack, I just believe this was made alot easier because of themap terrain allowing him to fly a short route between Saviors main and his expansion just short, while they hydras had to run a long route. I am in no way saying bisu did not play an amazing game, only that they were very very closely matched and that small advantages to bisu from the maps ended up tiping that balance. The post I first replied to implies Bisu wiped the floor with saviour effortlessly. there was this interview where stork said something like: "we were getting practice help from MBCgame and bisu helped me with my pvz. he told me exactly what sort of battles would break out on which maps, at what time in the game and which units would be involved, where on the map and how many units. when i played later on it happened exactly as he said. afterwards i asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me." i dont know about you but i more or less stopped breathing for a bit when i read that. ultimately we'll never know if it was luck or skill, but to stubbornly say that it was luck for sure is a little naive and underestimating. I think it's safe to say that Bisu is really from the year 3011 and has designed a time travel device which allows him to play his opponent, review their bo and timing and then go back once again and re-play them with the exact knowledge of what sort of battles will break out, what time they'll take place and which units will be involved.
His hair style is a byproduct of wearing the time travel helmet.
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Stork and Bisu reminds me of July and GoRush of the past. Two demi-gods of their race with vastly different styles. July with his flawless army management skills and acute sense of timing and GoRush with his inch perfect overall game management skills. Zerg fans used to say that if only the two would take each others' strengths we would see the perfection of the zerg race. Now days protoss fans are blessed with aruably the best PvT and PvP player ever, and the best PvZ player to grace the progaming scene. Not that their other match ups are subpar, but definately not of "bonjwa" level. Both players have quite some way to go to earn the ultimate title of "bonjwa", and I personally believe that neither will succeed in doing so.
Savior losing to Chojja was way different to Bisu losing to Mind and Stork in succession. Savior gained his reputation as a force to be reckoned with after his 7-0 domination of Oov (who was no longer bonjwa but was in irresistible form in TvZ just like Savior is in irresistible form in ZvP right now if we count Bisu out). He then upgraded his level of domination that gained him 2 MSLs, various minor tournament victories, a very respectable proleague record and capped it off with a dramatic win in the OSL. It's Savior's post-Cyon MSL performance that got him his "bonjwa" status.
Bisu, on the other hand, is already losing pace (he only won 2 matches out of his last 10 matches), after peaking (domination-wise) after his second MSL trophy. His level of domination of never at the level of previous "bonjwas", mainly due to his lackluster proleague record. Bisu does have a nice trophy count (OSL aside), but trophies alone won't get you the "bonjwa" status. Stork arguably outperformed Bisu this season, but his inexperience failed him at the crucial stages, and I don't think he'll be able to continue his hot streak long enough to get him the necessary amount of trophies.
You need to win it all when you're hot, Bisu got the trohpies, but he wasn't hot enough when he did. Stork was hot as hell (MSL finals, OSL semi-finals, proleague MVP and WCG representative) but ultimately failed in the two most important tournaments (in his best two match ups WTF?).
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On December 15 2007 02:36 Aepplet wrote:
silly question, maybe it's been answered before:
are/were any of these people (except savior obviously) actually referred to as bonjwa (not in this thread, i mean in korea)?
General consensus in Korean communities.
"Bonjwas": Boxer -> Nada -> Oov -> Savior-> Bisu (?)
Some people called Bisu the 5th bonjwa, but there was too much arguments made against it. People said "lets wait and see if he rises his level of play, he's almost there", but he ultimately failed to overcome his limitations (PvT, frequent proleague losses, missing OSL title etc). He's still young, so maybe he'll come back even stronger from his recent slump, but I doubt it.
"Semi-bonjwas": Nal_Ra -> July -> Bisu (?)
The best players of their time at one point, but couldn't raise their level of domination to an unstoppable level. Most are starting to classify Bisu as a "semi-bonjwa", which is starting aggrevate a lot of protoss fans who were waiting for their first protoss "bonjwa".
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really nice explanation letmelose but i think that bisu can upgrade his skills (to the next leeveelll !! ), we will have to wait the next MSL to see if the predictions will become true !!
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Catyoul
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On November 16 2007 18:17 Hot_Bid wrote:
Also, to be bonjwa, you need at least as many vowels as consonants in your name
Nada (2 vowels, 2 consonants)
Iloveoov (5 vowels, 3 consonants)
Savior (3 vowels, 3 consonants)
Bisu (2 vowels, 2 consonants)
In fact, when Savior was named IPXZERG (2 vowels, 5 consonants) he wasn't bonjwa, but once he changed his name he became bonjwa
So according to this, Flash has no chance. Jaedong misses by 1 letter.
Free, though, is a candidate, so is Anytime, so is Sea.
OMG OMG OMG great catch Hot_Bid (and no, clan tags don't count, LDO)
I have the same birthday as oov and I obviously own at the vowels/consonants part (4 vs 3)
On November 17 2007 08:31 marshmallow wrote:
Those who are amazed that these excellent SC players all have a birthday in November shouldn't be. It's an interesting fact, but the calculations people are doing here are off by a lot.
For example, in a group of just seven random people, it is more likely than not that two of them will have a birthday within a week of each other. Also, in a group of 23 people there's a 50% probability that one pair will share the same birthday.
Look up the "birthday problem" or "birthday paradox" to see why. Wikipedia has a nice article on it.
While the "all in November" thing is just for fun and wrong in so many ways if you take it seriously, you're wrong and the calculations are correct. Try to see how this differs from the birthday paradox.
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+ Show Spoiler +Jaedong, in his infinite talent, will reverse the Bonjwa Story.
Win an OSL -> Win 3 MSLs -> Golden mouse???
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Oh no Bisu broke the beautiful pattern by failing to win his 3/4 MSLs 
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Vzv, I'm quite amazed that Nada still managed to win two OSL years after his dominance.
True legends never die, they have EE HAN TIMING!
*hopes for BoxeR's golden mouse*
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OP updated.
Pattern fails.
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pretty sad to see Bisu failing, one of few toss that I actually enjoyed watching.
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has anyone ever won msl and osl at the same time?
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Jaedong will be the first
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Someone hold me >.<
Please Bisu! Please win this OSL!
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too bad bisu. i dont like imbahydras either.
and what up with the quality of GomTV MSL S4 Ro32 Group A - oskyloveo VOD? i mean no disrespect, but it wasnt watchable for me :/
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Bisu is going to make his own bonjwa story guys, trust me. The pain of these losses and the extra practice time wil fuel him this OSL.
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I'm just wondering if Bonjwa is just simply the french "Bon joueur", or, good player. That's the kind of things Grrr could say.
And it sounds exactly like how an asian would say it.
Just an idea...
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aww fuck i just got spoilered. damn it.
+ Show Spoiler +Could you put the "Bisu wins next msl prediction" with a slash through it in a spoiler for a while?
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aww fuck i can't believe you've done this.
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EPT
