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Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
August 18 2021 03:05 GMT
#1
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ASL has this new map called Lemon. It seems extremely awesome. Does anyone have any better of a description of the map? I tried it out and the middle seems to reduce vision so units like Spider Mines and Siege Tanks appear to have less range. The mains start with 2 gases but the naturals have 0 gas. The second expansion has double gas. Any buddy have any better map description of the map or balance predictions/statistics? Thanks.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
August 18 2021 03:32 GMT
#2
If it's anything like Baekmagoji, Desperado or Central Plains, we'll have ourselves a doozy.
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ox.tQ
Profile Joined November 2010
797 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-18 04:32:01
August 18 2021 04:31 GMT
#3
https://910map.tistory.com/96?category=977666

Waldstein, the author of Ringing Bloom and Ultimate Stream, made it.
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Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
August 18 2021 07:37 GMT
#4
Zerg would love this map as far as ZvT is concerned, you only have to occupy 2 areas to get 4 gas, and all of those except the center are on high ground.
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
August 18 2021 07:51 GMT
#5
I like the combination of mixing up the gas geyser counts and having the middle base be a likely point of contention in the later stages of the game.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 18 2021 07:54 GMT
#6
Do the big crystals disappear from the two unused starting points at a later point of the game? If they don't we're going to have ourselves a very unusual map.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-18 08:22:54
August 18 2021 08:22 GMT
#7
It's beautiful. Love it.

Hope for some great games.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5198 Posts
August 18 2021 08:52 GMT
#8
I love unorthodox maps, but this has got to be the worst map I've seen in a long time. It is trying to achieve too many things at once, not good for competition imo. Which race can put the Pseudo BGH influx of resources to use best? Which race can use/abuse the map layout the best?

I would have liked to see Turn and Really play on this map, but I'm not excited to see any of the current Terrans try to play this map. Of the other races maybe Shine and Ss1nz can show us some cool stuff? Perhaps Stork can revisit his old-self?
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3102 Posts
August 18 2021 09:23 GMT
#9
On August 18 2021 12:05 Optimate wrote:
[image loading]

ASL has this new map called Lemon. It seems extremely awesome. Does anyone have any better of a description of the map? I tried it out and the middle seems to reduce vision so units like Spider Mines and Siege Tanks appear to have less range. The mains start with 2 gases but the naturals have 0 gas. The second expansion has double gas. Any buddy have any better map description of the map or balance predictions/statistics? Thanks.

Maybe someone can come up with sponbbang stats for that. But from my eyes test from a few PvT games, Carrier play is unplayable on this map. Just look at the water areas behind the natural and third.

I believe Stork once tried 1-base Carrier vs Light and win. Just yesterday in Proleague, Best also bullied the shit out of Light with Carriers. I have never seen Light, despise having 3 bases and a max out army, got dominated that much.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
August 18 2021 13:22 GMT
#10
On August 18 2021 18:23 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2021 12:05 Optimate wrote:
[image loading]

ASL has this new map called Lemon. It seems extremely awesome. Does anyone have any better of a description of the map? I tried it out and the middle seems to reduce vision so units like Spider Mines and Siege Tanks appear to have less range. The mains start with 2 gases but the naturals have 0 gas. The second expansion has double gas. Any buddy have any better map description of the map or balance predictions/statistics? Thanks.

Maybe someone can come up with sponbbang stats for that. But from my eyes test from a few PvT games, Carrier play is unplayable on this map. Just look at the water areas behind the natural and third.

I believe Stork once tried 1-base Carrier vs Light and win. Just yesterday in Proleague, Best also bullied the shit out of Light with Carriers. I have never seen Light, despise having 3 bases and a max out army, got dominated that much.

where can I watch this.. "proleague"?
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
August 18 2021 13:40 GMT
#11
On August 18 2021 16:54 Nikon wrote:
Do the big crystals disappear from the two unused starting points at a later point of the game? If they don't we're going to have ourselves a very unusual map.


They do not.

Also, players' buildings can overlap slightly in their start location. I believe the way it works is that people can build one building at the location where the crystal was even though their CC/hatch/nexus also partially occupies that spot. I think this is necessary because the mains are very small.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
August 18 2021 14:11 GMT
#12
I know its controversial but damn I hope this and maybe other weirder maps get in the next ladder map pool
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-18 15:21:55
August 18 2021 15:18 GMT
#13
On August 18 2021 22:22 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2021 18:23 TMNT wrote:
On August 18 2021 12:05 Optimate wrote:
[image loading]
ASL has this new map called Lemon. It seems extremely awesome. Does anyone have any better of a description of the map? I tried it out and the middle seems to reduce vision so units like Spider Mines and Siege Tanks appear to have less range. The mains start with 2 gases but the naturals have 0 gas. The second expansion has double gas. Any buddy have any better map description of the map or balance predictions/statistics? Thanks.

Maybe someone can come up with sponbbang stats for that. But from my eyes test from a few PvT games, Carrier play is unplayable on this map. Just look at the water areas behind the natural and third.

I believe Stork once tried 1-base Carrier vs Light and win. Just yesterday in Proleague, Best also bullied the shit out of Light with Carriers. I have never seen Light, despise having 3 bases and a max out army, got dominated that much.

where can I watch this.. "proleague"?

He hasn't uploaded a new one for about a month, but this is the proleague playlist on Light's youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLopfmdxll6kGcqLpmbeXzilvHK2LQr1Bm

you can also search for "프로리그" (proleague) and "위너스리그" (winner's league).

they usually play both series back-to-back as teams of 4 players. proleague is where they each have to play 1 game followed by an ACE match if it's tied 2:2. winner's league is where the winner continues to play the next game until a team has no players remaining. if 1 team wins proleague and the other team wins winner's league, then they have a "super ace match".

if you understand korean, a lot of the banter and trash talking amongst the observers during the matches is pretty funny
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wdoubleN
Profile Joined August 2021
17 Posts
August 18 2021 15:43 GMT
#14
It's unorthodox, looks fun but I can imagine T being a bit iffy vs Z on this.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
August 18 2021 16:02 GMT
#15
On August 19 2021 00:18 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2021 22:22 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On August 18 2021 18:23 TMNT wrote:
On August 18 2021 12:05 Optimate wrote:
[image loading]

ASL has this new map called Lemon. It seems extremely awesome. Does anyone have any better of a description of the map? I tried it out and the middle seems to reduce vision so units like Spider Mines and Siege Tanks appear to have less range. The mains start with 2 gases but the naturals have 0 gas. The second expansion has double gas. Any buddy have any better map description of the map or balance predictions/statistics? Thanks.

Maybe someone can come up with sponbbang stats for that. But from my eyes test from a few PvT games, Carrier play is unplayable on this map. Just look at the water areas behind the natural and third.

I believe Stork once tried 1-base Carrier vs Light and win. Just yesterday in Proleague, Best also bullied the shit out of Light with Carriers. I have never seen Light, despise having 3 bases and a max out army, got dominated that much.

where can I watch this.. "proleague"?

He hasn't uploaded a new one for about a month, but this is the proleague playlist on Light's youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLopfmdxll6kGcqLpmbeXzilvHK2LQr1Bm

you can also search for "프로리그" (proleague) and "위너스리그" (winner's league).

they usually play both series back-to-back as teams of 4 players. proleague is where they each have to play 1 game followed by an ACE match if it's tied 2:2. winner's league is where the winner continues to play the next game until a team has no players remaining. if 1 team wins proleague and the other team wins winner's league, then they have a "super ace match".

if you understand korean, a lot of the banter and trash talking amongst the observers during the matches is pretty funny


very much appreciated, dude!
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
August 18 2021 16:31 GMT
#16
Snow just beat Ample on Lemon using carriers in KCM.

He didn't abuse that water area behind the natural though. Probably because of the starting positions; Snow was bottom left and Ample was top left.

This may have just been a case of Ample getting better playered, unless there is something else that makes carriers particularly strong on this map.
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-18 17:32:37
August 18 2021 17:26 GMT
#17
Not a fan of building macro buildings outside of your main. Not a fan of this map, but would rather play on it than plasma I suppose.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-18 18:05:28
August 18 2021 18:05 GMT
#18
On August 19 2021 01:31 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Snow just beat Ample on Lemon using carriers in KCM.

FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3102 Posts
August 18 2021 18:42 GMT
#19
On August 18 2021 22:22 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2021 18:23 TMNT wrote:
On August 18 2021 12:05 Optimate wrote:
[image loading]

ASL has this new map called Lemon. It seems extremely awesome. Does anyone have any better of a description of the map? I tried it out and the middle seems to reduce vision so units like Spider Mines and Siege Tanks appear to have less range. The mains start with 2 gases but the naturals have 0 gas. The second expansion has double gas. Any buddy have any better map description of the map or balance predictions/statistics? Thanks.

Maybe someone can come up with sponbbang stats for that. But from my eyes test from a few PvT games, Carrier play is unplayable on this map. Just look at the water areas behind the natural and third.

I believe Stork once tried 1-base Carrier vs Light and win. Just yesterday in Proleague, Best also bullied the shit out of Light with Carriers. I have never seen Light, despise having 3 bases and a max out army, got dominated that much.

where can I watch this.. "proleague"?

Here's Stork 1-base Carrier game vs Light. Guy had 2 Carriers out before his 2nd Nexus lol.
https://vod.afreecatv.com/ST/75185540 (game starts at 03:37:38)

Here's how Best bullied Light using the water and cliff:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1120891645?t=04h03m23s

You can find the Proleague matches on their Afreeca/Twitch/Youtube VODs list. Just go to one of Queen/Light/Best/Snow/Mini/Hero... account and scroll to the part where it looks like 2 of them are playing and the other 6 are observing. They do that every day. Games are spectacular (ASL quality or even better).
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
August 19 2021 01:06 GMT
#20
On August 18 2021 22:40 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2021 16:54 Nikon wrote:
Do the big crystals disappear from the two unused starting points at a later point of the game? If they don't we're going to have ourselves a very unusual map.


They do not.

Also, players' buildings can overlap slightly in their start location. I believe the way it works is that people can build one building at the location where the crystal was even though their CC/hatch/nexus also partially occupies that spot. I think this is necessary because the mains are very small.

[image loading]
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