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I wouldnt be that optimistic about those stats. As far as I know he was playing a minimum of 9 games vs the same player.So after 5-0 (I suspect is when progamer secured money ?)They proly started to mix more builds and he could sneak some victories.
That said I never seen such hate before In a foreigner vs korean progamer.We are talking about best progamers. Sorry and Rush will make Miso 815 YSC or Ample looks really bad too.
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On April 13 2021 19:03 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2021 17:00 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On April 13 2021 16:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think Dewalt is as close to korean progamers as anyone has been in the past 15 years - most certainly if you don't include people living in Korea. The following stats (taken from the reps.ru victory day celebration threat) are as good as any I've seen after like... blackman vs aquarius back in 2002 or whatever (If you go back to 2001 or earlier, you can make decent arguments that the top players were not korean): pvz vs progamer/top amateur: 305W - 778L Dewalt 54:208 Shine Dewalt 32:70 816 Dewalt 5:24 Action PvT: 265W - 749L Dewalt 6:16 Bishop Dewalt 18:88 Hiya Dewalt 10:40 sSak PvP 297W - 601L Dewalt 10:48 Snow Dewalt 26:48 Mighty Dewalt 24:64 Ruin But I mean, going by this, the best two nonkoreans (dewalt and bonyth) have something like a 15-20% shot against the really good progamers like action and snow. The other nonkoreans have less of a shot. PvT seems like the toughest matchup too. So Rush/Sorry 9-0ing isn't a big surprise, but a 7-2 or 8-1 win wouldn't be particularly surprising either. Edit: I guess back in 2005, when team europe beat team asia 3-2, korean progamers going 1-2, Mondragon beating Zeus 3-0, is the previous time non-koreans were competitive. (Of course, maps might have been a slight factor there. ) "Edit: I guess back in 2005, when team europe beat team asia 3-2, korean progamers going 1-2, Mondragon beating Zeus 3-0, is the previous time non-koreans were competitive. (Of course, maps might have been a slight factor there. " Where can I find some more details about this event? ^ it's 815 btw Mystery-Map Invitationalhttp://classic.battle.net/scevents/SC-MM-FAQ.html Thanks a lot ^^
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It's impressive to beat any pro, of course. However, when I see most pro gamers stream ladder they usually play very relaxed, not overly competitive, if any. Either way it's a big difference to how they play in competition.
Whenever they face a 16TR opponent it's usually not that commited tbh.
One thing that I particularly noticed when Snow played vs. Scan in ASL is how calm he is and the level that he is controlling the game. Of course he will lose some off games but I feel like most pros only need the tiniest advantage to win any game. Non-pros very seldom bring that advantage back and are able to win.
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By the way...
@Scan thank you so much for the awesome casting, both in ASL and All-star... I loved the ASL games and I can't wait to see you crack that RO16. The sSak game was so close, amazing job to catch up and almost reverse the advantage several times.
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Hoping foreigners can put some wins on the board. My prediction before this event started was foreigners getting 3 wins, still hoping they can do that
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I think it all comes down to get that dream opening, either by some early aggression or a build order advantage and then ride on that to the perfect timing attack to end the game.
Perhaps against Action? Zerg can get into real nightmares openings, losing drones to a 8RAX or sneak by some vultures in ZvT. Dewalt and Bonyth can for sure micro those zealots really well and perhaps get a few drone kills and end it with a sharp 7+ minute timing, like a corsair/+1 zealot.
Snow will be really hard to beat though. That would probably, again rely on a zerg having a great opening: perhaps Trutacz can get a few lings in to harass and follow up with a perfect hydra bust.
Anyway, we've done it before - go All-stars!
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On April 13 2021 21:48 ...onmYwaY wrote: It's impressive to beat any pro, of course. However, when I see most pro gamers stream ladder they usually play very relaxed, not overly competitive, if any. Either way it's a big difference to how they play in competition.
Whenever they face a 16TR opponent it's usually not that commited tbh.
One thing that I particularly noticed when Snow played vs. Scan in ASL is how calm he is and the level that he is controlling the game. Of course he will lose some off games but I feel like most pros only need the tiniest advantage to win any game. Non-pros very seldom bring that advantage back and are able to win.
Dewalt is TR24 to Korea by the way. But you’re right that there is a world of difference between casual ladder play and tournament play. That’s true for both foreigners and Koreans but the difference is larger for Koreans due to their professional status. When they practice for a specific game they do so in a more effective way with better practice partners and other resources. BSL Bonyth > regular Bonyth but ASL Flash >>>> regular Flash.
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I think this event is awesome, and don't understand why so many people seem to complain about the skill gap. As a casual viewer, it's hard to pick out huge differences between BSL matches and ASL matches (aside from occasional macro differences), so watching matches like these are quite interesting to me.
As other people have said, it's worth noting that Sorry and Rush (especially Rush) are ludicrously strong right now and i'd honestly favor rush against most Korean protosses, let alone Dewalt or Bonyth.
Looking forward to other matches in this series!
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On April 14 2021 03:14 angry_maia wrote: I think this event is awesome, and don't understand why so many people seem to complain about the skill gap. As a casual viewer, it's hard to pick out huge differences between BSL matches and ASL matches (aside from occasional macro differences), so watching matches like these are quite interesting to me.
As other people have said, it's worth noting that Sorry and Rush (especially Rush) are ludicrously strong right now and i'd honestly favor rush against most Korean protosses, let alone Dewalt or Bonyth.
Looking forward to other matches in this series!
I'm a pretty casual viewer as well, but the most obvious thing that sticks out to me is unit control. In BSL matches, I see way more small unit control mistakes, such as groups of Mutas accidentally flying over Marines, units splitting up and fighting single file, slightly late Sieges, small groups of idle units etc.
I think the more advanced viewer would be able to tell things like timings and strategy differences.
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I very much appreciate this game series. Even though it's not competition it would make sense if the Pros at least viewed this as a semi-important exhibition and put in the effort to display their real skill.
This is the beauty of StarCraft:Brood War, the hardest game on the planet. The skill ceiling is so freaking high that you can keep playing for 20+ years and still improve day by day - amazing. There is so much to admire in these players - all of them.
If only the rest of the world knew...
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koreans are just too good i got sad watching my favorite europeans get smashed. i was impressed by sziky most. hope we can get a win next time.
great casting by scan by the way. appreciate all efforts for putting these awesome games. keep up the good work guys.
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I second those people who say it's awesome to see matches like this. I think it's super interesting, and I don't mind it being one-sided. It's fun to see our heroes go up against the very best of the best, a big thank you to them for playing against these monster opponents, a big thank you to the pros showing up, and of course, most of all, thank you for organizing and casting this! It was amazing and it really brightened my day. Brood War is amazing!
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hello today will be matches vs Action or no?
thx
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On April 16 2021 15:54 Sonic_md wrote: hello today will be matches vs Action or no?
thx
It shoulda be today, but they changed date last minute... Do you think is because the foreigners are to ashamed of how bad they are and do not want to participate anymore? Cut the damage?
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Yeah thanks. then the games will be in 6 hours. Yes?
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On April 16 2021 20:55 Sonic_md wrote: Yeah thanks. then the games will be in 6 hours. Yes?
3AM CET should be in 12 hours from now
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On April 16 2021 18:10 martoto088 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2021 15:54 Sonic_md wrote: hello today will be matches vs Action or no?
thx It shoulda be today, but they changed date last minute... Do you think is because the foreigners are to ashamed of how bad they are and do not want to participate anymore? Cut the damage? This is a really stupid question. Players love playing progamers, even if they lose. It’s like passionate golfers having a chance to play golf with Tiger Woods, nobody cares if they lose, they’re just happy to have that experience because they’re fans of the game.
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On April 16 2021 21:58 oEkY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2021 20:55 Sonic_md wrote: Yeah thanks. then the games will be in 6 hours. Yes? 3AM CET should be in 12 hours from now
Yes, for us in Romania / Moldova is in the middle of the night haha!
We'll see them tomorrow I guess
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yes for Romania and Moldova is in the middle of the night
Action and Shine for today is my 2 favourites Zergs. Action gogo)) Show to us some ACTION))
will see all games tomorrow 17-04-2021
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